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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettinson View Post
    Frankly I am quite surprised how easy is to become a mentor, I have the requirements for either crafter/gatherer and pve and I have NEVER did a synced extreme trial aside Emerald Weapon but that was week 1 or 2, so it was more of a learning session which was the first time learning of shared tank buster lol.
    The requirements to be a mentor are pretty lax but the requirements to access the mentor roulette aren't.

    Few things:

    1) Players need to severely re-think what the concept of a mentor is because what they have in their own heads isn't the same thing as what the FFXIV developers have stated. Be a decent example of player behavior, and fill queues. That's about it. A "decent example of behavior" is extremely subjective and everyone has off days.

    2) EX content has no business being in mentor roulette, at all. At that level of play, you shouldn't be teaching people basic rotations, how to use abilities they could easily read their tooltips to figure out (read: MITIGATION), and multiple boss mechanics that can't be easily explained over party chat.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    LianaThorne's Avatar
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    Maduin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    The requirements to be a mentor are pretty lax but the requirements to access the mentor roulette aren't.

    Few things:

    1) Players need to severely re-think what the concept of a mentor is because what they have in their own heads isn't the same thing as what the FFXIV developers have stated. Be a decent example of player behavior, and fill queues. That's about it. A "decent example of behavior" is extremely subjective and everyone has off days.

    2) EX content has no business being in mentor roulette, at all. At that level of play, you shouldn't be teaching people basic rotations, how to use abilities they could easily read their tooltips to figure out (read: MITIGATION), and multiple boss mechanics that can't be easily explained over party chat.
    Been brought up already but region play differences factor into EX trials being on the DF and a requirement for mentor roulette. I personally think they should separate requirements based on DC (since NA flat out ignores DF extremes while JP uses it for farms/when you actually know the mechanics) but that's probably gonna be too much effort for them.
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    Raoabolic's Avatar
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Coeurl
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettinson View Post
    Frankly I am quite surprised how easy is to become a mentor, I have the requirements for either crafter/gatherer and pve and I have NEVER did a synced extreme trial aside Emerald Weapon but that was week 1 or 2, so it was more of a learning session which was the first time learning of shared tank buster lol.


    Personally I do not even bother becoming a mentor, its roulette is just not worth it, the mount isn't enticing or worth the pain, having a crown is also a bigger pain because you will get treated differently for good or worse so expectations are off the charts.

    Luckily If you plan on helping you can just become a normal player, put Join in Progress in the DF settings as your Diet Mentor Roulette and provide whatever help you can.
    At the moment, mentor roulette feels like it exists just to exist, nothing against the mentors
    When you bury the skill floor by the core of the Earth then everyone can be a mentor! lol
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    Chekopacheko's Avatar
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    Pacheko Cheko
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    Paladin Lv 90
    The mentor system as a whole works in JP servers, so it wont change anytime soon
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    Any mentor that says newbies shouldn't do extreme trials probably can't do extreme trials themselves. That's horrible advice.
    No, it's the correct advice to give. Mentors aren't meant to carry people that are doing content above their station
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    Zanelle Solainteau
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    No, it's the correct advice to give. Mentors aren't meant to carry people that are doing content above their station
    You being unable to do extremes as a newbie should have no bearing.
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    Samson Blacke
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    I'm fine with Mentor Roulette as is tbh.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Oh god. Here we go again.
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    I don't really play pve anymore but if I did, it would be a lot better.
    Back up your bark

    Newbies clear ARR Extremes all of the time.
    Yeah, unsynced
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    Zanelle Solainteau
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Back up your bark



    Yeah, unsynced
    Bark? You dumb twit. We aren't talking about people when they aren't newbies.

    No even synced.
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