People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

[GTK0HLK]

Kinda funny that the people who defend these people basically doing no work.
are the kind that would defend prepulls in content, cause the rare item drop sells for millions.[ex used is crab, but I have seen many wait to 27, and only bring it up cause it's a recent example for me]

Same concept, different gains, overall loss for the rest of the community.

it's a simple issue cut and dry.
and it isn't worthless thread for only the curious, small potential of mods/community lead/dev to stumble across, or us who frequent the place.

since the more that we could agree on, and converse. the more we can push positive change in the game. without the fake outcries of Toxiccasual/elitism.

A Basic Expectation and Etiquette is expected, and not hard at all to maintain.
Be the offenders be a troll, a bot, a gremlin expecting loot at others expense, or a spiteful and hateful player who just wants to hurt.
<no one blames, or uses new players. or those still learning as points. those who do, do not understand the topic at all.
for we all would kindly teach them, and help them move on, if we have the time to.
If they simply didn't want to learn, they'd fall quickly into the previously mentioned categories. including faking newness/kindness to avoid fallout>

Be it in a DF, or any zone, open, instance or etc.
this thread isn't asking for, or even expecting the peak.
but at the very least some competency and /or Mediocre level of play.
[just like when Cas Ditching was a thing. when you join a duty/instance. Baring exceptional Exceptions, be it life, emergencies. when in one, your time is not fully yours, but the groups.]

The math/logic in this threads topic favors At minimum an expectation of Basic Competency and/or Mediocre Skill level.
<which can be kindly and easily offered by many, to others at any moment if they wish to>
And no one in the right mind would do it in a toxic way.[though, when it's clearly about true leeches, and opportunist, nothing but the boot and reports would put them in place. or a respawn of shame]

And like I mentioned above, it can be done kindly in many ways[you don't need to be kind, or force it. just be neutral and respective as to not ____ ___ ___]

[while in different topics, both the math/logic and EMOTIONAL<damage>SIDE of things. can easily disprove any viewpoint. in this topic. it all points in one direction.]
Besides in some classes it's even less work. and for others it's fun.

[Urielparadox]

If you queue using duty finder you should have zero expectations. Put your own group together so those of your ilk can stay together. I am sure the people in duty finder won't miss you.

this is incorrect. You are expected by basic standards to in an aoe situation, you are not expected to know whether 2,3 or 4 mobs is better but you are expected to aoe. As when u que you are agreeing to the built in rules of what you are qued for. Single targeting in aoe situation is 100% griefing.

[sagacious]

Please stick to Squadrons, Duty Support, and Trust.

This is aimed at people who like to do single target rotations when people wall to wall for them. You're legitimately a detriment to the party.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

I very much agree with you something needs to be done to improve a players rotation. Another problem is the non limit break use. I play both tank and healer and dungeons seem to go soooo very long when rotations are ignored. In one dungeon a player who was a summoner didn't dps at all all she did was use her healing skill on the tank and I was the healer wtf. It is getting to the point where I have dps myself to improve dps and I get comms when I do because I kill shit fast.

[sagacious]

Gosh that was like reading a boring book please limit your reply to 50 words or less.

[Vahlnir]

this is incorrect. You are expected by basic standards to in an aoe situation, you are not expected to know whether 2,3 or 4 mobs is better but you are expected to aoe. As when u que you are agreeing to the built in rules of what you are qued for. Single targeting in aoe situation is 100% griefing.

From the dev's perspective, all that is expected is that people clear the content they are doing. From a moral and community perspective, everyone should be pulling their weight. To avoid these issues, we have the tools to sort each other out. Well, mostly. Vote to kick, leave duty, party finder, etc. People can have their expectations, but they should also expect that things will not always go their way. So yeah, I would suggest keeping expectations tempered when you roll the dice and queue through the DF. Not everyone is going to be on the same skill level and some people might not even care for that matter. They should care, and they should get better, but some do not do either and they likely never will. Some will indeed improve, which is great for everyone. It is what it is, no matter how much people want to shout to the heavens. It seems like a lot of people in this thread are not being realists about this. I'm not defending subpar/lazy play, for what it's worth. I just have realistic expectations with random people in an online game.

[SylvAlternate]

and I'm sure it's because no one ever told them not to do it

exactly, and that's the only way to actually stop this kinda thing
if every dungeon you do someone tells you "hey you should use multi-target attacks" then even the most stubborn players will either start using AOEs or go on here/Reddit and complain about elitism, the former is preferred but if it's the latter then I can make fun of them which is also fun
this is gonna sound obvious, but we need to normalize giving new players tips on how to play their job properly

[EnigmaticDodo]

exactly, and that's the only way to actually stop this kinda thing
if every dungeon you do someone tells you "hey you should use multi-target attacks" then even the most stubborn players will either start using AOEs or go on here/Reddit and complain about elitism, the former is preferred but if it's the latter then I can make fun of them which is also fun
this is gonna sound obvious, but we need to normalize giving new players tips on how to play their job properly

I used to try and correct things in dungeons often until someone told me to 'stop yelling at them' and 'telling them how to play' when I offered basic advice (cycle CDs 1 by 1 and use AoEs on 3+ Targets) when they seemed to be struggling. I also have been a witness to people telling people tips in a totally innocuous manner, just to get people trying to argue with them.

Ideally, yeah, I'd be down for normalizing offering tips, but it often, at least in my case, is more trouble than it's worth. I still offer tips sometimes, but then immediately bail out of the tab that has pt chat to avoid a potential headache.

[MagicPeanut]

Call me crazy, but I've never seen this happen in duty finder...like ever. Is it just more common in the mentor roulette or something? Maybe I've just been lucky. :V

Even in stuff below 70 it's maybe happened a rare couple of times (In HW and older content really) and it was always a healer not using any attacks and only healing. Above 70? Never.

I agree with you of course, I'm just thinking it's not that common of an occurrence.

[Zebraoracle]

Call me crazy, but I've never seen this happen in duty finder...like ever. Is it just more common in the mentor roulette or something? Maybe I've just been lucky. :V

Even in stuff below 70 it's maybe happened a rare couple of times (In HW and older content really) and it was always a healer not using any attacks and only healing. Above 70? Never.

I agree with you of course, I'm just thinking it's not that common of an occurrence.

It's definitely not very common at all, and outside of the realm of normal. It's just that when it occurs, it's so obnoxious and usually problematic that it sticks out.

[Deveryn]

If you have expectations of people, it helps to communicate it to them directly and not scream at the air in a place like this.