People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

[Padudu]

wait, so this isn't a 'make the dungeon faster' thing but the principle of 'you are forced to carry someone looking for a free ride'? Really? How do you gauge who is looking for a free ride?

Probably when they can't even be bothered to spam the same aoe skill vs only targeting one target at a time lol

It's very easy to tell when people are putting in effort and are just new/struggling with the class vs. someone who is leeching.

[Sufjann]

I do get that, but you know what? Literally kick them. It's that simple! Part of playing with others should not be "you are forced to carry someone looking for a free ride". Absolutely not. You have the means of stopping it, actually use it!

I'll admit that I'm a softy and don't like kicking people for not playing well enough, I reserve kicking just when the person is making the content impossible to clear or deliberately not following instructions.

But you can vote kick, sure.

Or people can read their tool-tips and also practice on a training dummy? There are tools in the game that SE has given us to practice, yet it's apparently SE's fault and not the players who just dive into whatever content knowing less than the bare minimum.

Sure they can, but are they doing it? By the fact that we're having this conversation once a day I'll say that they aren't.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is, but what can we do to solve the problem besides being angry people online 24/7.

[angienessyo]

I mean, I think people should be doing their AOE rotation in anything above 40. I believe the final hold outs for any sort of AOE rotation are NIN at 38 and DRG at 40, so anything above 40 people should be doing AOE. (and it's a crime NIN+DRG get their's so late)

[SylvAlternate]

and you conjure up this false image of FFXIV as being “toxic casual” to scare us into doing otherwise.

not long ago I was kicked from an alliance raid because of saying (granted in a slightly negative tone) that Raiton did more damage than Doton on single target, if that's not "toxic casual" I don't know what is
and just so I'm not accused of leaving parts of the story out, here's every single thing I said in that raid apart from a "heya" at the very beginning (also "passive dps" rofl)

wanting to clear dungeons in a reasonable amount of time is not some shady scheme to manipulate the casual playerbase, its expecting the bare minimum

[Absimiliard]

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get your desire only to end up witnessing what I just did, which was someone using nothing but AoEs in a boss fight unironically.

[SnowVix]

I just don't see why it's a big deal. At worst, if one DPS is entirely afk, the dungeon just takes 10 minutes longer. And usually it's not that bad, they're still doing 50% or more of the DPS they should be doing. It's not worth leaving over something like that. Nor is it worth it to try and teach them the basics of the game in between pulls. (GCD uptime is usually the biggest problem anyways, and you can't really teach that.) Whatever the case, in 20-30 minutes, it won't be your problem anymore.

This is actually false. If the DPS is low enough, it can cause a wipe in proper double & wall pulls because the tank just runs out of mitigation.

[Kewitt]

What does AOE stand for?

what are rotations for?

I'm confused.

[angienessyo]

not long ago I was kicked from an alliance raid because of saying (granted in a slightly negative tone) that Raiton did more damage than Doton on single target, if that's not "toxic casual" I don't know what is
and just so I'm not accused of leaving parts of the story out, here's every single thing I said in that raid apart from a "heya" at the very beginning (also "passive dps" rofl)

wanting to clear dungeons in a reasonable amount of time is not some shady scheme to manipulate the casual playerbase, its expecting the bare minimum

You didn't even say anything out of line or sound mean at all. I see a lot of people doing single target Doton and I'm sure it's because no one ever told them not to do it. I usually just let it go because I don't want to deal with this sort of reaction to a helpful tip. If I was doing something I really shouldn't be on a job I would want someone to tell me.

[EnigmaticDodo]

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get your desire only to end up witnessing what I just did, which was someone using nothing but AoEs in a boss fight unironically.

My condolences lol. It's somewhat comforting that others go through these ridiculous situations too.

my personal opinion: if you meet those "underperforming" ppl too often then its time for a break because you probably played for hours in DF and this lets the odds rise in meeting those people more often than average, which is pretty low in my experience.

Try the first and second roulettes of the day, but I respect your opinion.

This is the reason why I personally stopped using DF outside of Expert for tomes. Along with people entering content with vastly lower ilvl gear, I'll just point it out. Based on answer, I'll either just eat the 30 to go play something else or complete the instance then BL afterwards.

It's very strange to me that dunegons/raids have a 'recommended' iLvl but apparently allow any iLvl in regardless? I don't really understand the rationale the devs had when implementing that. Seems like it's asking for potential trouble. Is that why Titania was so 'difficult'(time consuming) back in the day?

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I appreciate the discussion here!

I do apologize for making this thread fresh after a bad experience, but I think it's still a genuine topic and 'issue' (seems to vary wildly with people in this thread) worth discussing.

The bad experience; Mt Gulg run gone bad due to single targets being used. After a while, tanks will run out of mitigation and healers will run out of MP / more powerful instants and deaths occur.

I find it wild how people will press a TON of buttons to argue against me and the idea that AOEs should be used, press a lot of buttons to do that single target roto, but legitimately cannot or will not press 1 AoE on repeat at the bare minimum.

[Zebraoracle]

I'll admit that I'm a softy and don't like kicking people for not playing well enough, I reserve kicking just when the person is making the content impossible to clear or deliberately not following instructions.

But you can vote kick, sure.



Sure they can, but are they doing it? By the fact that we're having this conversation once a day I'll say that they aren't.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is, but what can we do to solve the problem besides being angry people online 24/7.

I think the key misunderstanding is most of us are not talking about those that "just don't play well". Our issue is with those who do the barest minimum to not be kicked for being afk while expecting the party to do everything for them, or people that get up in arms when someone politely (keyword! No one has the right to be a jerk!) asks them to do the bare minimum of ability usage (using CDs as a tank, using OGCDs/dpsing as a healer and not cure botting, using AoE on packs of mobs). I will gladly put the time and effort into helping someone improve. I will not put up with entitled "run the dungeon for me", especially as I'm already doing everything I can to ensure the run goes fast and smooth as either a tank or healer.