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  1. #21
    Player Troxbark's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    You joined the game late, just get an apartment and wait for next ward release.
    Everything you said only makes sense to you but not others even if you are already an owner.
    You may claim on a forum that you are willing to give up but for one you don’t represent other house owners
    Even if SE compensated me with 500 million gils it would still be a punishment on someone who didn't break ToS.
    Gils may mean something to you but as in game currency it has no value to old players.
    I could buy any house I want if it interested me (or multiple, lol), it doesn't change the fact enforcing the rules would be better for the game as a whole. The negative impact (and I don't consider a reimbursement a negative) on you and the handful of others is insignificant.
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    Last edited by Troxbark; 10-13-2022 at 01:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    ...on you and the handful of others...
    A handful... hmm. So, what are we talking about? Retrospectively changing the rules to punish 6 people in the entire game?

    Be serious about this question: Do you realistically think SE will expend any effort to do this?
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  3. #23
    Player Troxbark's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    A handful... hmm. So, what are we talking about? Retrospectively changing the rules to punish 6 people in the entire game?

    Be serious about this question: Do you realistically think SE will expend any effort to do this?
    1.) It's not punishing anyone as you would be reimbursed. If it were just 6 people (I said handful because I'm being VERY generous), it would still positively impact many other players.

    2.) No. Square Enix is allergic to enforcing even their most basic rules, the company is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    1.) It's not punishing anyone as you would be reimbursed. If it were just 6 people (I said handful because I'm being VERY generous), it would still positively impact many other players.

    2.) No. Square Enix is allergic to enforcing even their most basic rules, the company is a joke.
    Yoshi-P already stated he doesn't want to expend efforts to punish players in the latest PLL. (It was on a different topic but I'm sure his sentiments are across the board.) So unlikely there will ever be a reversal on grandfathering.

    Our energies are better spent elsewhere.
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    Don't you have something better to do with your life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    1.) It's not punishing anyone as you would be reimbursed. If it were just 6 people (I said handful because I'm being VERY generous), it would still positively impact many other players.

    2.) No. Square Enix is allergic to enforcing even their most basic rules, the company is a joke.
    You're talking about taking away something of great value to the player who had put in effort to obtain, use and maintain it, then give them something useless to them in return.

    Sorry, that's punishment. Actually, it's worse than punishment. It's also mocking the player. Good thing SE isn't doing it.

    As for rules, SE does enforce their rules. It just doesn't have the result you expect because things aren't as simple as you want them to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    If it were just 6 people (I said handful because I'm being VERY generous), it would still positively impact many other players.
    Not really. The valuable housing census has shown time and time again the real number is tiny, especially at a server level. In a single lottery round they would all be gone and things would be the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    2.) No. Square Enix is allergic to enforcing even their most basic rules, the company is a joke.
    They are very much against punishing people who played inside the rules. This is a common trait that shows over many years.

    It seems pointless to waste any energy on the Marvinism "take their houses away". It will never happen - especially when there are thousands about to be added in NA, thousands available in EU, thousands available in OC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    1.) It's not punishing anyone as you would be reimbursed. If it were just 6 people (I said handful because I'm being VERY generous), it would still positively impact many other players.

    2.) No. Square Enix is allergic to enforcing even their most basic rules, the company is a joke.
    It most definitely would be punishment to the player that has their house taken away after spending many hours decorating it. Using possibly unique irreplaceable furniture from events or from cashshop. How would you refund that?
    Rules should never be enactex retroactive. They aren't in real life and they shouldn't be here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    They are not being punished if they are being reimbursed and let's be honest, none of them are going to quit over it anyway.

    Even if they did quit, it's still a net benefit overall for the game.
    Addressing your points in reverse order.... your goal is to get people to quit? Just people who might be in competition for houses with you, or anybody who might be after any limited resource you want?

    And then your first point.... You think the value of a house is the gil?

    *laughs*

    wait, your serious?

    *LAUGHS MORE*
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Why would they punish people who got their houses legitimately? You might not like people having multiple houses but frankly it's a drop in the bucket of total housing. They are looking to add new wards which is great and I hope in future the island sanctuary can fulfil more of a housing role at least with outdoor decorations if nothing else. I was asking for instanced housing for years and I still think it would be a great idea so every person can get a home. But plenty people get a house, realise it's actually a lot of effort to decorate nicely and just ditch it but don't let it demo.

    I have more than one house, I use them frequently. I know plenty who have a house and never set foot in it, they are not even decorated. It's part of what pushed me to get another house to begin with, why deny myself a content I love when there is a good chance a house I could have gotten is now sitting empty because someone else got it but did nothing with it? My FC house now is home to myself, my static and some close friends. It's great!

    I still want them to expand the item slots for mansions... it's too few! I would like to use all the floors not only 1 or 2!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    Addressing your points in reverse order.... your goal is to get people to quit? Just people who might be in competition for houses with you, or anybody who might be after any limited resource you want?

    And then your first point.... You think the value of a house is the gil?

    *laughs*

    wait, your serious?

    *LAUGHS MORE*
    The value is gil, you paid for it with gil and you would be refunded, at the end of the day you would still be able to own 2 homes (FC and personal). However 2 homes don't seem to be enough for people and beyond ego and gil sink, you can't give a legitimate reason why you need more than 2.

    And lets be honest, you wouldn't quit. Although in your case it seems that too would be a net positive for the community if you did, lmao.
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    Last edited by Troxbark; 10-15-2022 at 07:08 AM.

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