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  1. #61
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    CT's just going to statistically pop up more. It's required for MSQ so any new person will make their way through it. It's an option in relic steps for three expansions (the lone exception is Stormblood) so people can be running it for light or aether oil or loathsome memories. They will probably need to contend with the idea a 24 man is required for MSQ at some point, but they also have to be careful not to take that option away in those relic steps. Especially for ARR light, the last two raids on bonus are the only way to get the Newborn Star light value. So they would have to look at that if they wanted to try to make them 4 man experiences.
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    Last edited by TaleraRistain; 10-08-2022 at 08:00 PM.

  2. #62
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    I feel like the only viable solution is to tune them up. This approach makes them more fun opposed to tolerable, while at the same time getting rid of the cheese.

    Removing CT from the roulette will just transfer the frustration to Mhach, especially considering completion of Dun Scath is now a requirement for quest progression as well. Item level cheese isn't as big of an issue as some think it is because the more likely scenario is there is at least one player who does not meet the level requirement or quest progression to qualify for the other raids. Still, the cheese also needs to be eliminated, and that is easily done by tuning up the older raids.
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  3. #63
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    X'toldha Bihlr
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    Entire roulette setup is outdated. Please for the love of Hippokampos let us select the possible alliances expansion wise:

    A Realm Reborn
    Heavensward
    Stormblood X
    Shadowbringers X
    Endwalker X

    How hard can it be? It's time to stop using the argument it makes the queues longer. Highly doubt it would even matter much for people who don't care when 6/7 alliances it's always Crystal Tower. Personally don't mind waiting 10 instead of 5 min. just to not have the same old content everyday.
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  4. #64
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Sure it's required for the MSQ, and I don't have issues with getting it when there's a new player trying to finish the questline.

    What I do however not sign up for when I do Alliance Roulette is rewarding the lazyness of people who tank their ilvl on purpose to force 23 other people into CT because they can't be bothered to deal with anything else.

    The roulette is supposed to fill old alliance raids so people can experience the content, it is not supposed to assure you get your brain dead free EXP 15 minutes run.
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  5. #65
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    They should make the item level sync lower, closer to the minimum item level. That way bosses would have mechanics, the raids would take longer and people would be less incentivized to cheese the roulette. Newer players would get an experience that is closer to the original and long time players would be less bored.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 10-08-2022 at 05:22 PM.

  6. #66
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishe-P View Post
    Look, I understand the point of roulettes and their fundamental function to maintain old content, I really do. However, there are now 13 alliance zones in the game, 3 of which seem to be more prominent than the others. Why is it my fault for joining roulette earnestly hoping NOT to get CT when I have no personal control over whether that's the case and maybe getting a little variety or unpredictability out of my game? This argument makes no sense to me, but if I must take the blame for unwillingly padding out the numbers of the lamest alliance raid in the game on the daily I guess I must.
    And I have several characters, not one of them aside from this one will ever unlock the other roulettes. I suspect many others not interested in the raids simply don’t unlock them either, especially newer players.

    This coupled with a variety of reasons means you are just statistically going to get the CT series much more than any other.
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  7. #67
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    They should make the item level sync lower, closer to the minimum item level. That way bosses would have mechanics, the raids would take longer and people would be less incentivized to cheese the roulette. Newer players would get an experience that is closer to the original and long time players would be less bored.
    As Iscah said some pages back, even at minimum ilevel you'll beat bosses before you even see their mechanics.
    Honestly, SE needs to remale most fights in LotA, remake Scylla and Glasya so they do more than just be damage sponges and remake the Cloud of Darkness fight so it actually feels like a final boss (pretty sad Phlegethon and Xande do more than her, honestly).
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  8. #68
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    And I have several characters, not one of them aside from this one will ever unlock the other roulettes. I suspect many others not interested in the raids simply don’t unlock them either, especially newer players.

    This coupled with a variety of reasons means you are just statistically going to get the CT series much more than any other.
    This is also easily solved by making the final raid of a series a requirement for MSQ progression. This will get players such as yourself into those raids, and make more of them available to all players in the queue with you should you choose to use the roulette.

    When you think about it, SE exacerbated this issue the moment they made CT a requirement for MSQ progression as that damn tower became such an integral part towards the story. And now they have done the same thing with Mhach. Orbonne and Paradigm will also need to eventually follow suit. Easily done with Ivalice and eventually Aglaia, but I honestly have no idea how they could integrate YoRHa into the story.

    In any case, player's unwillingness to unlock content is not a viable reason to continuously reduce the number of instances available to the players. Otherwise there is no point to having the alliance raid roulette.
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  9. #69
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    Avalen Koma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Not everyone plays the game to get through things quickly. I personally hate getting CT and will take the penalty for leaving if I have to because I'd rather do anything else besides mindlessly pressing 3 buttons for 15 minutes. Using more of my kit and having to actually pay attention for twice as long (or longer) is way more fun to me. I'm in it for the rewards same as the next person, but I also want to feel engaged by the game.

    I also like the randomness of roulettes. It's not that random when it's CT every day. If I wanted CT, I'd queue for those individually, as you put it.
    Before disagreeing, understand the mindset behind my comment. The reason beyond the MSQ Requirements / (Forced Unlock) CT is preferred IS because of the time investment / EXP acquisition. Which is your main problem. If people knew you could get explosive amounts of EXP from Rabanastre / Nier raids, they would stop the ilvl dropping by significant margins and the diversity of the Roulette would improve. It's the same situation that happens with Castrum Meridiam vs Praetorium in MSQ roulette. People did PREFER Prae despite its length because of the huge EXP it gave.

    Perhaps not EVERYONE plays the game to get through things quickly but I definitely said the majority, because as mentioned before ilvl cheese exists and people take advantage of it regularly, for obvious reasons.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 10-08-2022 at 10:46 PM.

  10. #70
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    Sage Lv 90
    The suggestions mentioned here multiple times about increasing the rewards for non-CT raids and making it so the roulette automatically syncs you to your highest unlocked content seem like the easiest and possibly best solutions. One rewards players for doing these raids, and the other removes the ability to ilvl cheese.
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