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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishe-P View Post
    Look, I understand the point of roulettes and their fundamental function to maintain old content, I really do. However, there are now 13 alliance zones in the game, 3 of which seem to be more prominent than the others. Why is it my fault for joining roulette earnestly hoping NOT to get CT when I have no personal control over whether that's the case and maybe getting a little variety or unpredictability out of my game? This argument makes no sense to me, but if I must take the blame for unwillingly padding out the numbers of the lamest alliance raid in the game on the daily I guess I must.
    And I have several characters, not one of them aside from this one will ever unlock the other roulettes. I suspect many others not interested in the raids simply don’t unlock them either, especially newer players.

    This coupled with a variety of reasons means you are just statistically going to get the CT series much more than any other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    And I have several characters, not one of them aside from this one will ever unlock the other roulettes. I suspect many others not interested in the raids simply don’t unlock them either, especially newer players.

    This coupled with a variety of reasons means you are just statistically going to get the CT series much more than any other.
    This is also easily solved by making the final raid of a series a requirement for MSQ progression. This will get players such as yourself into those raids, and make more of them available to all players in the queue with you should you choose to use the roulette.

    When you think about it, SE exacerbated this issue the moment they made CT a requirement for MSQ progression as that damn tower became such an integral part towards the story. And now they have done the same thing with Mhach. Orbonne and Paradigm will also need to eventually follow suit. Easily done with Ivalice and eventually Aglaia, but I honestly have no idea how they could integrate YoRHa into the story.

    In any case, player's unwillingness to unlock content is not a viable reason to continuously reduce the number of instances available to the players. Otherwise there is no point to having the alliance raid roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    This is also easily solved by making the final raid of a series a requirement for MSQ progression. This will get players such as yourself into those raids, and make more of them available to all players in the queue with you should you choose to use the roulette.

    When you think about it, SE exacerbated this issue the moment they made CT a requirement for MSQ progression as that damn tower became such an integral part towards the story. And now they have done the same thing with Mhach. Orbonne and Paradigm will also need to eventually follow suit. Easily done with Ivalice and eventually Aglaia, but I honestly have no idea how they could integrate YoRHa into the story.

    In any case, player's unwillingness to unlock content is not a viable reason to continuously reduce the number of instances available to the players. Otherwise there is no point to having the alliance raid roulette.
    And now they have done the same thing with Mhach
    That is mandatory for msq progression?

    Also, "easily done" is an odd statement, when they've been moving AWAY from forcing msq players into group content, not towards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    That is mandatory for msq progression?

    Also, "easily done" is an odd statement, when they've been moving AWAY from forcing msq players into group content, not towards.
    My error. The quest "A Red Bill Farewell" is required for "Tataru's Grand Endeavor." which is a sidequest. I had it confused. Likely only a matter of time though considering where the MSQ is headed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    This is also easily solved by making the final raid of a series a requirement for MSQ progression. This will get players such as yourself into those raids, and make more of them available to all players in the queue with you should you choose to use the roulette.

    When you think about it, SE exacerbated this issue the moment they made CT a requirement for MSQ progression as that damn tower became such an integral part towards the story. And now they have done the same thing with Mhach. Orbonne and Paradigm will also need to eventually follow suit. Easily done with Ivalice and eventually Aglaia, but I honestly have no idea how they could integrate YoRHa into the story.

    In any case, player's unwillingness to unlock content is not a viable reason to continuously reduce the number of instances available to the players. Otherwise there is no point to having the alliance raid roulette.
    A solid no thanks on required MSQ progression. Especially because they are generally side stories/FanFiction (Ivalice; Nier I especially want to believe the canon is that it was all just a fever dream of the character).
    Aside from experiencing the story on my main, I have zero interest in ever doing any of the raids again. Just not my thing. No hate on people who like them.

    As is, there's no reason for a new player to do the raids aside from the story itself since the gear is largely useless.

    IMO, the easiest thing to do would be the following:
    1) Decrease the iLVL sync for CT to be where the mechanics matter (fights take longer), but not so much that there will be wipes (mechanics deal less damage?). Just enough to show that Raids have a little more oomph, but not enough to scare people off.
    2) Buff XP given in roulettes based on the expansion; something like CT giving what it does, 3.0 giving +20%, 4.0 +40%, 5.0 +60%. I would be very happy doing Nier for +60% XP.
    3) Make it so if you leave the instance because you got what you didn't want, you forfeit that roulette for the day entirely. All or none. (This would avoid the inevitable that we saw with Castrom/Prae where people dip out to get more XP)
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    Last edited by kaynide; 10-09-2022 at 01:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    A solid no thanks on required MSQ progression. Especially because they are generally side stories/FanFiction (Ivalice; Nier I especially want to believe the canon is that it was all just a fever dream of the character).
    Aside from experiencing the story on my main, I have zero interest in ever doing any of the raids again. Just not my thing. No hate on people who like them.
    And here we thought you were some kinda for the player experience esp new ones kinda person, really its never was the case now was it, here you are negatively impacting new player experience as a whole for this game ;/.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raelgun View Post
    And here we thought you were some kinda for the player experience esp new ones kinda person, really its never was the case now was it, here you are negatively impacting new player experience as a whole for this game ;/.

    Who are you to tell me what I am supposed to enjoy? Or what content I am supposed to play? Or that I am required to do raids on characters I barely use?

    What does my interest in doing raids, or not, have to do with what other people want or like to do? How does that stop new players from queuing for raids they want?
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    Last edited by kaynide; 10-09-2022 at 01:29 PM.

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    I queue for Orbonne Monastery several times a day for the sole purpose of dragging people into glorious Ivalice raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    I queue for Orbonne Monastery several times a day for the sole purpose of dragging people into glorious Ivalice raids.
    I used to do this too. The sad thing though, is you can't "drag in" those people who force their ilvl down to make CT happen for themselves and 23 other unfortunate souls. Since they queue in naked, they're blocked from ever getting orbonne and they're the only ones truly capable of "dragging in" unwilling passengers.
    I'm going to start a project. Every time I get CT and notice some guy with 10% hp who's quickly putting gear back on, I'm going to take a picture of them. When I get enough pics, I'll make a big collage with all of their half-naked characters on it. Then I'll print it out on some quilted roll, and wipe my ass with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    This is also easily solved by making the final raid of a series a requirement for MSQ progression. This will get players such as yourself into those raids, and make more of them available to all players in the queue with you should you choose to use the roulette.

    When you think about it, SE exacerbated this issue the moment they made CT a requirement for MSQ progression as that damn tower became such an integral part towards the story. And now they have done the same thing with Mhach. Orbonne and Paradigm will also need to eventually follow suit. Easily done with Ivalice and eventually Aglaia, but I honestly have no idea how they could integrate YoRHa into the story.

    In any case, player's unwillingness to unlock content is not a viable reason to continuously reduce the number of instances available to the players. Otherwise there is no point to having the alliance raid roulette.
    I wouldn't make it an MSQ requirement but simply an Alliance Roulette requirement. Once you hit the max level for a specific expansion (60, 70, 80, 90, etc) the roulette will be updated and require you to unlock all the alliance raids available for that expansion.
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