Let's redefine "damage taxes"

[SaberMaxwell]

Vercure is actually useful to get your quick raises off.

It's not even useful for that. If the enemy is targetable, you're gonna jolt/fire/stone into raise. If you relied on vercure into raise, then you're reducing the usefulness of the raise (ie, being able to keep some measure of DPS while raising).

Doubly so when you can Vercure, Swift and do 2 raises in succession.

True, but A) very rarely are you going to have swift up when someone dies because it is used as part of RDM's rotation and B) As stated, vercure is not what you'd use there unless the boss isn't targetable.

And I'm sure the Healer appreciates some of the stress being taken of or if the healer dies and you help them heal back to full and they can save their panic heals for something else.

Most healers probably wouldn't notice all told. Look again at mine and Aikaal's average heal hit with that; 4.3k isn't really going to be noticeable in the grand scheme of things when healers will be raidwide healing nevertheless. The key thing to ask is: does this save the healer a healing GCD? If yes, then it's useful; if no, it's overheal.

[Ivtrix]

Imagine not know Vercure being useful in fights like DSR. Imagine being a one trick RDM player and not knowing that.



When you healer appreciates when you Vercure during downtime the MT because there's been some scuff situations that may happen and I can always use a free instant cast.

Regarding raise. THey either keep it and the tax remains or they take it off and put it as a role action with a CD. I don't see other solutions.

Excuse me, he has no need for DSR. He did TEA, didn’t you know? He touches high end content.

[MagiusNecros]

It's not even useful for that. If the enemy is targetable, you're gonna jolt/fire/stone into raise. If you relied on vercure into raise, then you're reducing the usefulness of the raise (ie, being able to keep some measure of DPS while raising).

True, but A) very rarely are you going to have swift up when someone dies because it is used as part of RDM's rotation and B) As stated, vercure is not what you'd use there unless the boss isn't targetable.

Most healers probably wouldn't notice all told. Look again at mine and Aikaal's average heal hit with that; 4.3k isn't really going to be noticeable in the grand scheme of things when healers will be raidwide healing nevertheless. The key thing to ask is: does this save the healer a healing GCD? If yes, then it's useful; if no, it's overheal.

It depends on the situation. But that's what the Red Mage is all about. Adapting to the situation. And it can be very useful if you get stuck with a bad healer in a Roulette. Or the odd dungeon run where the Healer dies and it would have been a wipe otherwise.

And I feel Vercure is much more useful then Physick on SMN. Talk about dead skill past ARR.

[FireMage]

Imagine being a one trick RDM player and not knowing that.

Imagine lashing out on someone because your inferiority complex is too much for you to manage. Seek help

Vercure is actually useful to get your quick raises off.

Vercure has no advantage in getting off Verraise

[FireMage]

It depends on the situation. But that's what the Red Mage is all about. Adapting to the situation. And it can be very useful if you get stuck with a bad healer in a Roulette. Or the odd dungeon run where the Healer dies and it would have been a wipe otherwise.

There's a better solution, remove the bad

[SaberMaxwell]

It depends on the situation. But that's what the Red Mage is all about. Adapting to the situation. And it can be very useful if you get stuck with a bad healer in a Roulette. Or the odd dungeon run where the Healer dies and it would have been a wipe otherwise.

And I feel Vercure is much more useful then Physick on SMN. Talk about dead skill past ARR.

Are we talking balance or talking dungeons?

[MagiusNecros]

Are we talking balance or talking dungeons?

Any content where Rez support and offhealing is applicable. Not just dungeons and not just raids.

[CKNovel]

Imagine not know Vercure being useful in fights like DSR. Imagine being a one trick RDM player and not knowing that.

Imagine lashing out on someone because your inferiority complex is too much for you to manage. Seek help

Oh the misery.
Strawman BTW.

"Fights like DSR" includes but isn't limited to:
-UCOB
-UWU
-TEA (Which you did and boasted about it remember?)
-P8S

In TEA there is a lot of downtime mechanics where RDM can use verCure to remove a bit of stress from the healers.
It's especially useful in Wormhole where you healers must top everyone spread around the globe for a share right after the mechanic.
It's also useful in P8S where you need to deal with a heavy dot on downtime.

I agree it's a very niche use but it's relevant.

[Rithy255]

Oh the misery.
Strawman BTW.

"Fights like DSR" includes but isn't limited to:
-UCOB
-UWU
-TEA (Which you did and boasted about it remember?)
-P8S

In TEA there is a lot of downtime mechanics where RDM can use verCure to remove a bit of stress from the healers.
It's especially useful in Wormhole where you healers must top everyone spread around the globe for a share right after the mechanic.
It's also useful in P8S where you need to deal with a heavy dot on downtime.

I agree it's a very niche use but it's relevant.

Kinda like when people say clemency is "useless in every situation" yeah GCD healing is bad in general lol, even healers try to avoid it (if they can get away with it). When not in down time.
Obviously you dont want to GCD heal as a dps or even a tank if you can but it's always nice to have, of course I don't think if rdm if had Vercure only it would need to do less then blm, considering BLM self barrier is generally good in more situations.

[SaberMaxwell]

My God we're really talking about vercure... okay, I'm out. FireMage is dumb and I disagree entirely with any notion one should balance around difficulty, but honestly it's a hard reach to be claiming RDM's damage should suffer any because of vercure. Or saying vercure is somehow valuable for verraise, or that dungeons are worth balancing around. Might as well run about saying SMN should be taxed for Phoenix Regen and Rekindle, despite there being just as few valuable use cases as with RDM's vercure.

So sure. Leave RDM in the dumpster, whatever. For vercure.