Yeah, you guys make good points, it's hard to argue against it. I was trying to convince myself it wasn't going to be a loop because in my head I don't think causal loops make sense but then again I don't know that much about quantum physics so who knows.

One thing that truly bothers me is: Was Venat's conviction of her ideals truly her own or was it all because of the WoL? Did she really mean it when she said all those things about humanity not being able to thrive unless we accept that pain and suffering are part of life, or was she just trying to follow the "right" timeline based on what she knows? Was Hydaelyn only created because we told her about it?

And if he answer to any of these is "No, her convictions were indeed her own and she truly believes in what she said" then what difference did the WoL really make?