What Zero Could've Been

[Xavier_Firbold]

They should be.

Keep your hateful ideologies out of this game.

Thanks.

[aveyond-dreams]

I hate to break it to you, but the majority of the world would rather play games full of women like this in the spotlight:



Than women like this:



The males of this game aren’t all that impressive either, with Midlanders being a bit too wimpy for my liking, male Viera having little to no distinctions between them and their female counterparts, highlanders lacking eyebrows for no valid reason, and Roegadyn/Hrothgar builds not being designed with what people who like playing large races have in mind. Short of the middle ground of Au Ra, there’s nothing in FFXIV that resembles the male characters I play in other rpgs and mmorpgs.

In any case, this game has no content anyway and if the story is going to be carried by Zero, Y’shtola, and god forbid Krile along with the men who don’t have much going for them then around 7.0 I’ll probably not shift my attention away from FFVII: Rebirth and continue replaying FFXVI where I can hang out with Clive, a traditionally attractive male hero, and the temptress Benedickta. A seductive woman who uses her charms the way she does will be a refreshing new sort of character for the series, and I’m greatly looking forward to the interactions she’ll bring both to the table and elsewhere. Also really looking forward to Hugo throwing his weight around, couldn’t have asked for a better human representation of Titan. Certainly better than Ga Bu.



People who are into niche tastes like they are here shouldn’t have the run of the place, especially not when it comes to stuff like how the genders should look and act. Under normal circumstances you’re not going to be able to sell someone a game where women are as plain as Y’shtola while “slaying” the men who interact with them while the protagonist faction men are overly emotional and feminine like G’raha and Alphinaud, with Thancred and Estinien acting as the party’s muscle while being cast aside by the main story, along with both having their visual designs made more boring.

No matter how many times you try and overuse words to paint people as things they aren’t. this is just how the rest of the world outside of FFXIV works. Perhaps if the game hadn’t self-selected for a certain type of player then we would’ve actually held on to the wave that came following the fall of WoW instead of reverting back to Shb levels. As it stands now, a weak cast and no clear direction for 7.0 + hardly anything to do in this game isn’t helping its case. I only hope my passive efforts of making gil with leves eventually pay off when it becomes good again, otherwise my engagement with FFXIV is the bare minimum these days.

[Boblawblah]

Someone: turns post about Zero into another anti-transgender soapbox.

not EVERYTHING has to connect to your fear of Trans people.

[VictorTheed]

I thought she was gonna be a dude cause of the Zeno's avatar she was, other then that she ain't as cool as Minfilia or Nanamo Ul Namo, there my fav females in the game.

[Theodric]

They should be.

As a gay guy who likes masculine men, that doesn't make much sense to me. Men are inherently masculine by nature - the extent varies, but the men who aren't masculine to some degree are very much a minority. If they became the majority, why should those of us who enjoy the 'default aesthetics' so to speak, miss out?

I think it's important to remember that the majority is under no obligation to revolve around the whims of the minority. I think everybody's entitled to their individual preferences - within reason - but when the pushing goes too far, I don't think it'll be pleasant when the pendulum inevitably swings in the opposite direction as it has many other times throughout human history as it'll likely result in eroding away a lot of the patience and sympathy towards different perspectives and preferences.

[Thenightvortex]

Its...kind of hard to say nowadays. Everyone is different, and our overall Culture shifts constantly.
Like Im someone who hates Traditional Gender Representation myself, I think its dated, and in some cases sexist, and harmful.
I think a woman can be tough and dont need to be pretty lil flowers in a dress.
And I think Men can be Gentle and nurturing.

I don’t think liking traditional gender presentation has to do with forcing everyone to fit this mold or thinking that there are things men and women can’t be. It’s about personal enjoyment of an aesthetic in the game and/or irl. I prefer seeing characters who to an extent correspond with their gender role/presentation(without getting into extremes, of course), but I won’t hate a character for straying away from this particular way.

I think most people still enjoy traditional masculinity in men and femininity in women, it doesn’t seem like it will change drastically soon.

They should be.

Well, good luck with making that happen. Telling people they “should” be in a minority for their tastes comes off as very rude.

Someone: turns post about Zero into another anti-transgender soapbox.

not EVERYTHING has to connect to your fear of Trans people.

I’ve read through this thread and didn’t notice anything relating to trans people. Maybe it’s you who wants to make it about them.


P.S. Oh yeah, I just remembered this thread was about Zero. Eh, she’s fine, can’t say anything more than that.

[VictorTheed]

I hate to break it to you, but the majority of the world would rather play games full of women like this in the spotlight:



Than women like this:



The males of this game aren’t all that impressive either, with Midlanders being a bit too wimpy for my liking, male Viera having little to no distinctions between them and their female counterparts, highlanders lacking eyebrows for no valid reason, and Roegadyn/Hrothgar builds not being designed with what people who like playing large races have in mind. Short of the middle ground of Au Ra, there’s nothing in FFXIV that resembles the male characters I play in other rpgs and mmorpgs.

In any case, this game has no content anyway and if the story is going to be carried by Zero, Y’shtola, and god forbid Krile along with the men who don’t have much going for them then around 7.0 I’ll probably not shift my attention away from FFVII: Rebirth and continue replaying FFXVI where I can hang out with Clive, a traditionally attractive male hero, and the temptress Benedickta. A seductive woman who uses her charms the way she does will be a refreshing new sort of character for the series, and I’m greatly looking forward to the interactions she’ll bring both to the table and elsewhere. Also really looking forward to Hugo throwing his weight around, couldn’t have asked for a better human representation of Titan. Certainly better than Ga Bu.



People who are into niche tastes like they are here shouldn’t have the run of the place, especially not when it comes to stuff like how the genders should look and act. Under normal circumstances you’re not going to be able to sell someone a game where women are as plain as Y’shtola while “slaying” the men who interact with them while the protagonist faction men are overly emotional and feminine like G’raha and Alphinaud, with Thancred and Estinien acting as the party’s muscle while being cast aside by the main story, along with both having their visual designs made more boring.

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I think Y'shtola is pretty, but I don't like her cause she acts like a bitch, I wish Emet Selch would have left her dead back in Rak'tika Greatwoods.

I'd rather him have revived Milfilia, I mean Minfilia.

[SannaR]

As a gay guy who likes masculine men, that doesn't make much sense to me. Men are inherently masculine by nature - the extent varies, but the men who aren't masculine to some degree are very much a minority. If they became the majority, why should those of us who enjoy the 'default aesthetics' so to speak, miss out?

Maybe because the default is what is peddled in our faces every dang day. Most people don't look like that aesthetic and would love it to be not shoved into our faces as much as it is. I remember when the ShB trailer came out and there were threads made by people who got excited to see the few fat Miqo'te. Even some with asking to be able to have it as an option in the character creator. Even in what we do get I'd say that it's above what most people look like. Except for maybe midlanders as the one thing they have going for them is the chance of flawless skin.

Anyway I love what we've gotten so far with Zero and I'm looking forward to how she'll develop. @VictorTheed her look as Zenos's avatar is mostly masculine, but if you looked closely to their face it's of a man covering the eyes a of a lady.

[Saimeren]

What I'm getting from this is that you want a Bayonetta/Vrtra/Y'Shtola combo glam.

And I'm here for it. I see your not so hidden message.

[Kazhar]

I’ve read through this thread and didn’t notice anything relating to trans people. Maybe it’s you who wants to make it about them.

Gender role discussion is at the very least adjacent
to trans identity, since it's is a subversion of the concept. And since this place had a lot of very heated debate about trans people, there are reason to find the current direction of the thread suspect.

As I said previously anyway, this thread has run out of all of its original material and it's all downhill from now. Especially since we're now in a "here's what the majority REALLY wants" trend that would make even Striker44 blush.