What Zero Could've Been

[Boblawblah]

I for one loved what we saw of Zero in 6.1, she is a very interesting character given her backstory and position with our team. Plus, it has only been one patch we have gotten to know them. It is clear she has a lot of room to grow and that is something they are actively exploring. She is exactly what I wanted from the 6.x patches actually, a new and interesting character to explore. Have to also add that I loved her voice actor, she really did a wonderful job getting her cold yet human personality across. I really hope they stay with us into 7.0 and beyond.

I sware someone could start a thread about the biology of changing Chocobo feathers and by page ten it would end up being the usual ‘Genocide/Hydaelyn/Endwalker’ debate.

OMG TRIGGER WARNING PLEASE ON MURDER MOMMY MENTION

[Thenightvortex]

Magnai needs some love.

People here talk about how hot a woman must be talk down on a man, but the man in question can accept rejection and does not push himself on others, why talk down on him at all instead of just politely saying no?

[Jettinson]

Because the whole stick is that Y'shtola is acting like her master Matoya, someone who isn't afraid to talk back and be rough with words.

Add how she was so done with the whole thing with the xaelas' battle requests.


Wait i thought this was about Zero even though her story isn't even done so the thread is pointless

Oh....

[Zordrage]

Everyone overanalising the whole "Little Sun" thing... and here i am thinking it was just a nice little funny joke devs put in the game for the lols

[Layte_Aeon]

It's really her calling him childish, nothing more to it.

[Aexnidaral]

It feels weird to title a thread "What Zero Could Have Been" when her story isn't even closed to finished -- she's just been introduced, so we don't really know what she really is. Feels like putting the cart before the horse in terms of criticism.

[aveyond-dreams]

I hate to break it to you, but the majority of the world would rather play games full of women like this in the spotlight:



Than women like this:



The males of this game aren’t all that impressive either, with Midlanders being a bit too wimpy for my liking, male Viera having little to no distinctions between them and their female counterparts, highlanders lacking eyebrows for no valid reason, and Roegadyn/Hrothgar builds not being designed with what people who like playing large races have in mind. Short of the middle ground of Au Ra, there’s nothing in FFXIV that resembles the male characters I play in other rpgs and mmorpgs.

In any case, this game has no content anyway and if the story is going to be carried by Zero, Y’shtola, and god forbid Krile along with the men who don’t have much going for them then around 7.0 I’ll probably not shift my attention away from FFVII: Rebirth and continue replaying FFXVI where I can hang out with Clive, a traditionally attractive male hero, and the temptress Benedickta. A seductive woman who uses her charms the way she does will be a refreshing new sort of character for the series, and I’m greatly looking forward to the interactions she’ll bring both to the table and elsewhere. Also really looking forward to Hugo throwing his weight around, couldn’t have asked for a better human representation of Titan. Certainly better than Ga Bu.



People who are into niche tastes like they are here shouldn’t have the run of the place, especially not when it comes to stuff like how the genders should look and act. Under normal circumstances you’re not going to be able to sell someone a game where women are as plain as Y’shtola while “slaying” the men who interact with them while the protagonist faction men are overly emotional and feminine like G’raha and Alphinaud, with Thancred and Estinien acting as the party’s muscle while being cast aside by the main story, along with both having their visual designs made more boring.

No matter how many times you try and overuse words to paint people as things they aren’t. this is just how the rest of the world outside of FFXIV works. Perhaps if the game hadn’t self-selected for a certain type of player then we would’ve actually held on to the wave that came following the fall of WoW instead of reverting back to Shb levels. As it stands now, a weak cast and no clear direction for 7.0 + hardly anything to do in this game isn’t helping its case. I only hope my passive efforts of making gil with leves eventually pay off when it becomes good again, otherwise my engagement with FFXIV is the bare minimum these days.

[Boblawblah]

Someone: turns post about Zero into another anti-transgender soapbox.

not EVERYTHING has to connect to your fear of Trans people.

[Thenightvortex]

Its...kind of hard to say nowadays. Everyone is different, and our overall Culture shifts constantly.
Like Im someone who hates Traditional Gender Representation myself, I think its dated, and in some cases sexist, and harmful.
I think a woman can be tough and dont need to be pretty lil flowers in a dress.
And I think Men can be Gentle and nurturing.

I don’t think liking traditional gender presentation has to do with forcing everyone to fit this mold or thinking that there are things men and women can’t be. It’s about personal enjoyment of an aesthetic in the game and/or irl. I prefer seeing characters who to an extent correspond with their gender role/presentation(without getting into extremes, of course), but I won’t hate a character for straying away from this particular way.

I think most people still enjoy traditional masculinity in men and femininity in women, it doesn’t seem like it will change drastically soon.

They should be.

Well, good luck with making that happen. Telling people they “should” be in a minority for their tastes comes off as very rude.

Someone: turns post about Zero into another anti-transgender soapbox.

not EVERYTHING has to connect to your fear of Trans people.

I’ve read through this thread and didn’t notice anything relating to trans people. Maybe it’s you who wants to make it about them.


P.S. Oh yeah, I just remembered this thread was about Zero. Eh, she’s fine, can’t say anything more than that.

[Lauront]

I don’t think liking traditional gender presentation has to do with forcing everyone to fit this mold or thinking that there are things men and women can’t be. It’s about personal enjoyment of an aesthetic in the game and/or irl. I prefer seeing characters who to an extent correspond with their gender role/presentation(without getting into extremes, of course), but I won’t hate a character for straying away from this particular way.

I think most people still enjoy traditional masculinity in men and femininity and women, it doesn’t seem like it will change drastically soon.



Well, good luck with making that happen. Telling people they “should” be in a minority for their tastes comes off as very rude.

Seconded on the above.