What Zero Could've Been

[TheMightyMollusk]

None of this truly matters, since the vast majority of the Scions and main cast are no less boring, tropey and one-note as Zenos. So calling him such isn't saying much, as he's never been set such a high bar to pass over in this grand game of Limbo we call an MMORPG. Turns out, when you've seen enough characters and "beautiful scenery" new ones that resemble what you've seen before fail to register on your radar and stand out. When Zenos asked my character if their journey was worthwhile and we got all those flashbacks of Gridania, Limsa, Ul'dah and Ishgard all I could do was groan. None of those places are beautiful, no they're gray and boring as I've seen their like millions of times before.

So the comment about Zero and Zenos was addressed, and now it's time to twist it into another thread about Endwalker and the Scions.

Well, if you're gonna drift off topic, have fun, I'm bored with that.

[RukoBoshi]

And of course the subject got derailed in the same endless debate.
Not even a single mention of Zero is this page. Does it not get tiring to shout the same things over and over again ?
I already know the answer but still.

[SannaR]

And of course the subject got derailed in the same endless debate.
Not even a single mention of Zero is this page. Does it not get tiring to shout the same things over and over again ?
I already know the answer but still.

I'm pretty sure that a person could make a thread about how much they don't like the folded towels you can buy with wolf marks and it has just as good of a chance to have it derailed into one of the two topics things get derailed into.

[astercantus]

I pretty much learned all I needed to know about the validity of OP's take (and OP themselves) the moment they made those comments about "if you as woman are 3 you shouldn't criticise a hotter guy who is an 8".

[Kazhar]

And of course the subject got derailed in the same endless debate.
Not even a single mention of Zero is this page. Does it not get tiring to shout the same things over and over again ?
I already know the answer but still.

To be fair the thread was flawed from the start. This is talking about how a character whose arc is only just starting and we barely even know could have been a completely different character instead. What is there to even discuss?
Not to mention that "evil women gets a pass if they're hot" and "Y'shtola isn't attractive enough to shit on Magnai" are takes so bizarre it didn't do the already controversial OP any favor.

[SentioftheHoukai]

To be fair the thread was flawed from the start. This is talking about how a character whose arc is only just starting and we barely even know could have been a completely different character instead. What is there to even discuss?
Not to mention that "evil women gets a pass if they're hot" and "Y'shtola isn't attractive enough to shit on Magnai" are takes so bizarre it didn't do the already controversial OP any favor.

Funny how often people forget just how unlike their wild headcanons Magnai actually acted in the narrative. He didn't even hit on Y'shtola, poor man's literally desperate to find his soul mate and acted more like a child with a crush in the "Little Sun" scene than the Nice Guys/Incels that some people seem to see lurking behind every shadow and door. So honestly, yeah I'd argue that while mildly amusing a scene it may have been Magnai wasn't exactly an ideal, dickish target.

[Alleo]

So bascially SE does what you wanted and give us a new character and yet she is not what you have wanted? And this is exactly why I cant agree with all the "just give us a whole new group of people, those would be better" because new people dont mean that you have to like them. They are still written by the same people and they will just the same find players that love them and those that dont.

Edit: I am surprised that you dont like them. Since you dont like the more relaxed scenes in Endwalker...having a stoic woman should have fit way more into your view that everything should be more mature. I guess that only counts for male characters?

Also yikes reading throught this thread really was something. So its fine for a male character to be stoic when you meet them but Zero should not because we have not seen how she got that way? She is living in a world where you bascially have to fight others constantly if you want to eat some aether. Where you can lose yourself if you do that and where you have to either die again and again or be consumed by something else...and you wonder how she could be so stoic? I loved how she just did not help us out of the goodness of her heart but that she wanted something for it.

Really SE cant win with you....

Also as a woman in real life: Double yikes on your take that only hot women are allowed to talk down on men...

[Moebious]

Of the newly arrived characters, Zero certainly seems rather bland and boring, slightly like a discount version of old Estinien, early HW, when he too seemed like a typical brooding mercenary archetype.

Especially when comparing Zero to Athena, another new character. The few positive notes on Zero seems to be the theory of her being someone else entirely, which if true, and her current character is simply a disguise, to gain access inside our world, then I'll applaud them for making such a 'clever voidsent', truly. But until that happens, she's simply bland.
The moment we were told the contract between her and Zenos wasn't an even one but a rather boring, "he used me" trope, I just stopped seeing any potential in her character tbh. Had she taken ownership of the union and acts of Zenos, as part of her own admission, it could have opened up for very interesting discussions of morality. But they went with the most lazy writing trope, excuse current/new character from all possible past questionable deeds, thus possibly destroy a potentially interesting point of morality for the character.

Meanwhile Athena had/has a clear goal, her agency of her actions and reasons for them, and she's a lot more interesting than any other female character introduced recently too, without having done much. An actual female character with her own agency/goals, and rather unapologetic about them, even if they are morally questionable or outright bad.
Whether Athena becomes a boring one note as well is left to be seen, and maybe next patch Zero becomes really interesting, and we find out she really dubbed everyone, like Athena one-upped everyone.

If all Zero's character's agency amounts to are, "because it's the right thing to do", or "Its the morally correct choice", then it'll just be another piece of paper for the bin.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Perhaps they could've spared a scene for an echo vision instead of the one with the two kids going on about friendship. And hopefully more echo visions of her past in the future, to flesh her out even further. Pacing has been slow since 6.1 and quite off in the base 6.0 MSQ, it's time to get this show going.

Slow pacing? WHAT?
2 of the 4 Fiends are down already lol
Tell me you're memeing.

[Hurlstone]

I for one loved what we saw of Zero in 6.1, she is a very interesting character given her backstory and position with our team. Plus, it has only been one patch we have gotten to know them. It is clear she has a lot of room to grow and that is something they are actively exploring. She is exactly what I wanted from the 6.x patches actually, a new and interesting character to explore. Have to also add that I loved her voice actor, she really did a wonderful job getting her cold yet human personality across. I really hope they stay with us into 7.0 and beyond.

Well, if you're gonna drift off topic, have fun, I'm bored with that.

I sware someone could start a thread about the biology of changing Chocobo feathers and by page ten it would end up being the usual ‘Genocide/Hydaelyn/Endwalker’ debate.