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  1. #301
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    I know when I'm arguing with a wall. And I won't.
    Well, your argument was that if people are willing to spend an substantial amount of money compared to the price of the base product then there is no issue while my argument was that this mindset was not the norm but a result of large companies using underhanded practices to coerce people into spending money they normally would not. I was double checking to see if your argument was that this should be allowed because it's accepted? Many things that were accepted are now looked down on so your stance seems backwards. I don't see what's so hard to figure out but considering you just went "ur a wall" I doubt you can explain why selling a virtual item for a third of the base game's price is acceptable, lmao.
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  2. #302
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    Samsara Lunalight
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFlyy View Post
    We already know by SE's own admission that the monthly fee goes to server costs and then other departments in SE itself. Our monthly fee is paying for FF16. The mogstation gets sent back into FF14 itself.
    It can go any where. Point is if you don't pay you can't take part in the content. Same as if you won't buy the last expansion you can't take part in the new content. I don't say it need to be free just saying it is not.
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    Last edited by magitekLuna; 09-18-2022 at 02:09 PM.

  3. #303
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    I mean, these are optional cosmetics which have no bearing on gameplay so SE are in their rights to charge however much they seem is optimal so as to gain the maximum profits achievable.

    Charge too high and less people will buy, denting profits, on the other hand charging too low also means losing out on profits if the buyers are going to purchase the item at a higher price anyway. Not to mention that with inflation, prices are going to increase as has happened with retail game prices. In fact, it's a miracle that the subscription cost has remained at $14.99 for 10 years after so long. If it was me, I would have increased the subscription cost to 20.99 by now to account for inflation.
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeNada View Post
    I mean, these are optional cosmetics which have no bearing on gameplay so SE are in their rights to charge however much they seem is optimal so as to gain the maximum profits achievable.

    Charge too high and less people will buy, denting profits, on the other hand charging too low also means losing out on profits if the buyers are going to purchase the item at a higher price anyway. Not to mention that with inflation, prices are going to increase as has happened with retail game prices. In fact, it's a miracle that the subscription cost has remained at $14.99 for 10 years after so long. If it was me, I would have increased the subscription cost to 20.99 by now to account for inflation.
    It's not a miracle, it's thanks to the mogstation (and retainers). They have to stay competitive with other subscription services, so the majority of MMOs are going to hold onto that price point for a while longer. We might see an eventual increase by 1 or 2$, but definitely not 6$ Too many people would just drop out from that sudden jump.
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  5. #305
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    Thing is, they started to unlock the genderlock on some of the mogstation gear, so I can't even say no to them outfit...
    RIP my wallet
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  6. #306
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    Maya Jcb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    Well, your argument was that if people are willing to spend an substantial amount of money compared to the price of the base product then there is no issue while my argument was that this mindset was not the norm but a result of large companies using underhanded practices to coerce people into spending money they normally would not. I was double checking to see if your argument was that this should be allowed because it's accepted? Many things that were accepted are now looked down on so your stance seems backwards. I don't see what's so hard to figure out but considering you just went "ur a wall" I doubt you can explain why selling a virtual item for a third of the base game's price is acceptable, lmao.
    Some people just keep trying to find excuses to justify it, but at this point they cant even find any excuse anymore, so they go like "lalalalala i cant hear"
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  7. #307
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    So I ones more will ask the million dollars question.
    Why you think it's ok that an item be it glam or mount worth more (by the price SE made) that any patch ever? Did any one worked more on a glam that one a raid? Or even a dungeon? Worked more that on all the in game gear sets we got in each patch? How you justify that?
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    Last edited by magitekLuna; 09-18-2022 at 11:58 PM.

  8. #308
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    Marcelloix Ostoiraint
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    online store

    wow just wow so many drama queens cussing and calling everyone a crook thats going to help alot don't hold your breath waiting for change to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magitekLuna View Post
    So I ones more will ask the million dollars question.
    Why you think it's ok that an item be it glsm or mount worth more (by the price SE made) that any patch ever? Did any one worked more on a glam that one a rsid? Or even a dungeon? Worked more that on all the in game gear sets we got in each patch? How you justify that?
    You are under the impression that glamours and mounts are created for the Mog Store for a Western audience. The reality is that many of those items are created for other markets first -- ones that do not pay a monthly subscription fee. The business unit in charge of those items is not directly under the control of the game's Producer. That business unit assesses the market and then tasks the game's art department with creating the item in-game.

    From what little I've been able to glean, both South Korea and mainland China have a per-hour cost that, at least 8 years back, was the equivalent of about US10cents per hour of play. It is unclear whether they pay for expansions as a separate charge. Both South Korea and mainland China servers are entirely separate from the rest of the world. The companies that own and operate the servers provide localizations and customizations. Some of the items that first appeared on the Korean 'Mog Store' have migrated to our own Mog Stores -- the Street Attire set is one of those items.
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  10. #310
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    You are under the impression that glamours and mounts are created for the Mog Store for a Western audience. The reality is that many of those items are created for other markets first -- ones that do not pay a monthly subscription fee. The business unit in charge of those items is not directly under the control of the game's Producer. That business unit assesses the market and then tasks the game's art department with creating the item in-game.

    From what little I've been able to glean, both South Korea and mainland China have a per-hour cost that, at least 8 years back, was the equivalent of about US10cents per hour of play. It is unclear whether they pay for expansions as a separate charge. Both South Korea and mainland China servers are entirely separate from the rest of the world. The companies that own and operate the servers provide localizations and customizations. Some of the items that first appeared on the Korean 'Mog Store' have migrated to our own Mog Stores -- the Street Attire set is one of those items.
    then sell them for like 5$ and now 99% of the non happy people are gone. i like it to be in game but this train leave long ago. you did not touched on the question i asked at all. so i ask one more time.
    Why you think it's ok that an item be it glam or mount worth more (by the price SE made) that any patch ever? Did any one worked more on a glam that one a raid? Or even a dungeon? Worked more that on all the in game gear sets we got in each patch? How you justify that?
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