"Balance team tests the fights themseslves"

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The metacontent that I specified is why hardcore groups do more than the 8 kills and unsub. Its why some go for multiple statics, split farms, etc to fulfill goals on FFlogs. To get 100 on parse, rank 1 on speed, rank last on performance, pantsless runs, meet FFLogs challenges which impose rules on how yo clear a fight for special rankings.

None of that would be a thing and nobody would have a reason to clear savage past kill 8, even the casual raiders.

I don't have numbers to back any claims that it isn't a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction, hyperbole on your statement of course mine. So sure, we can pretend for the sake of argument that maybe 100 players would leave without fflogs completely. Maybe savage wouldn't be dying content because most people interested are at least geared out fully by week 12, leaving...12-16 more weeks of the tier left that people have no reason to run it.

FFlogs is still, imo, a net boon for providing strong analysis tools for everyone of every level.

Most people interested in savage are not geared by week 12. Most hardcore and maybe midcore groups sure. My group doesn't even tend to clear the tier for 8 weeks, giving another 8 just to get clears. we tend to get min 10 clears and then just see how we feel. thats minimum 18 weeks of the tier for us.

You seem to think only hardcore raiders do savage...


Casual raiders I know don't do parse or speed runs.

[SaberMaxwell]

Most people interested in savage are not geared by week 12. Most hardcore and maybe midcore groups sure. My group doesn't even tend to clear the tier for 8 weeks, giving another 8 just to get clears. we tend to get min 10 clears and then just see how we feel. thats minimum 18 weeks of the tier for us.

You seem to think only hardcore raiders do savage...


Casual raiders I know don't do parse or speed runs.

And you seem to think your anecdote can be extrapolated to "most."

Even in your example though, that's only 6 weeks more than my own example of "most" which I'll concede I can't claim either. Which still leaves a long period of nothing. Not to mention how the hours you put in, whether hardcore or softcore, are roughly the same just spread out over different periods of time.

Again, "for the sake of argument let's agree you're right," FFLogs is still a net benefit on the community.