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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    What... are you talking about? Scholar is the best healer in the game right now. It is, by all rights, better in every aspect of the game over Sage.
    The kit fights itself. If you use Dissipation, you're locked out of all Fairy healing. If you Fey Union, having the fairy use anything else cancels it. If you use Seraph, you're locked out of Dissipation, Fey Blessing, and Fey Union. Seraph can also ghost skills and put them on cooldown.

    If SCH dies with Dissipation and Aetherflow just being used, you come back with at least 50s without any AF stacks. Meaning Sacred Soil, Lustrate, Excog, and Indom are all unusable outside of the one Recitation cast for the next 50s. Fey Union gauge is also lost. You have to resummon your fairy quickly. You are essentially dead weight as a healer for those 50s.

    If WHM/AST/SGE dies, what do you lose? WHM you lose the lilies, meaning you've lost only 2 heals and have everything else. AST you only lose your seals for your own card buffs.

    SGE you lose access to Druochole (Lustrate equivalent), Kerachole (Sacred Soil equivalent), and Ixochole (Indom equivalent), and Taurochole (10% mitigation and 700 potency heal, no SCH equivalent). If you have Rhizomata (gives you a single stack of Addersgall) ready, you have a single use of any of those. How long are you waiting to use one of those normally? 20 seconds. TWENTY SECONDS.

    SCH is the only healer that has to fight its own kit, and is actively punished by death worse than the other healers. These are issues we have had for many expansions now, issues that still need fixing.
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    Last edited by RyuDragnier; 09-14-2022 at 03:46 AM.

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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The kit fights itself. If you use Dissipation, you're locked out of all Fairy healing. If you Fey Union, having the fairy use anything else cancels it. If you use Seraph, you're locked out of Dissipation, Fey Blessing, and Fey Union. Seraph can also ghost skills and put them on cooldown.

    If SCH dies with Dissipation and Aetherflow just being used, you come back with at least 50s without any AF stacks. Meaning Sacred Soil, Lustrate, Excog, and Indom are all unusable outside of the one Recitation cast for the next 50s. Fey Union gauge is also lost. You have to resummon your fairy quickly. You are essentially dead weight as a healer for those 50s.

    If WHM/AST/SGE dies, what do you lose? WHM you lose the lilies, meaning you've lost only 2 heals and have everything else. AST you only lose your seals for your own card buffs.

    SGE you lose access to Druochole (Lustrate equivalent), Kerachole (Sacred Soil equivalent), and Ixochole (Indom equivalent), and Taurochole (10% mitigation and 700 potency heal, no SCH equivalent). If you have Rhizomata (gives you a single stack of Addersgall) ready, you have a single use of any of those. How long are you waiting to use one of those normally? 20 seconds. TWENTY SECONDS.

    SCH is the only healer that has to fight its own kit, and is actively punished by death worse than the other healers. These are issues we have had for many expansions now, issues that still need fixing.
    That's a long way of saying SCH takes skill to execute properly. It also helps when your teammates aren't going the wrong way and taking you down with them.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    That's a long way of saying SCH takes skill to execute properly. It also helps when your teammates aren't going the wrong way and taking you down with them.
    My issue with it is more that it's an outlier. WHM and AST used to both be a lot more difficult, closer to SCH's level. But while they've been simplified, SCH has not been. I'm not asking for braindead, but it does need changes. Such as using the fairy gauge for all healing actions, with the fairy's healing giving you small amounts of gauge (and each fairy skill giving you more). Dissipation sacrificing part of the gauge (probably half) to upgrade all healing from the SCH (maybe a DPS buff too, if they so wished). Fey Union making the fairy focus target a player for all Embrace usage for X seconds with an increased potency (think old Rouse). Perhaps Seraph becoming a permanent upgrade to the fairy (adjust heal/shield potency ratio as needed). Things like that, which fixes some issues while still keeping the micromanagement SCH is known for.
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    That's a long way of saying SCH takes skill to execute properly. It also helps when your teammates aren't going the wrong way and taking you down with them.
    That's your point of view, other people might say that it isn't very intelligent design not to allow for scenarios that could arise for another players mistakes (as well as their own, of course). Some people could well find it frustrating instead of challenging to find the job design fighting them instead of smoothly working with them to allow for them to get up and back into action as quickly as possible as the other healers can do.
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    Zabu Jinjahl
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The kit fights itself. If you use Dissipation, you're locked out of all Fairy healing. If you Fey Union, having the fairy use anything else cancels it. If you use Seraph, you're locked out of Dissipation, Fey Blessing, and Fey Union. Seraph can also ghost skills and put them on cooldown.

    If SCH dies with Dissipation and Aetherflow just being used, you come back with at least 50s without any AF stacks. Meaning Sacred Soil, Lustrate, Excog, and Indom are all unusable outside of the one Recitation cast for the next 50s. Fey Union gauge is also lost. You have to resummon your fairy quickly. You are essentially dead weight as a healer for those 50s.

    If WHM/AST/SGE dies, what do you lose? WHM you lose the lilies, meaning you've lost only 2 heals and have everything else. AST you only lose your seals for your own card buffs.

    SGE you lose access to Druochole (Lustrate equivalent), Kerachole (Sacred Soil equivalent), and Ixochole (Indom equivalent), and Taurochole (10% mitigation and 700 potency heal, no SCH equivalent). If you have Rhizomata (gives you a single stack of Addersgall) ready, you have a single use of any of those. How long are you waiting to use one of those normally? 20 seconds. TWENTY SECONDS.

    SCH is the only healer that has to fight its own kit, and is actively punished by death worse than the other healers. These are issues we have had for many expansions now, issues that still need fixing.
    SCH is the best healer, the only reason why people move from SCH to SGE is cuz doing one same thing SCH need to press 2 button , while SGE only one. This basically mean no matter how OP a class is, people just want to play something easy, and this is always true on FFXIV's player base.
    Remember you are not suppose to die in a fight, do not assume what will happen when you die. Every highly optimized healer will end up with no resources, not just SCH, one DPS or one tank die will also ruin healer's optimization. And also, healer DPS also got screw up. Don't people always ask healer to DPS?!!!
    To be honest, even one tank or one DPS do not use mitigation will ruin healer's optimization. This happen a lot especially in p8s, and when people die, people point the finger to healer right away
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    Last edited by zabu; 09-14-2022 at 07:40 AM.