Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
You had it wrong right at beginning.
The easiest and most effective counter is MNK's enlightenment, it has 10M cast range and 15M knockback distance to break PLD's Guardian line. (Enlightenment knock back effect still active even PLD has Hollwground)
MNK also doesn't need assistance for survival when try to stop PLD guardian

Also, this problem is unique to EU and NA because of lack of communication.
There is no communication within party and everyone just mindless running around.
How are you going to counter a strategy without communication?

I also surprised how you are going to counter this strategy when deliberately ignore the existence of MNK?
Not many people want to play Monk just to counter PLD, even if told to kill/stun/whatever plds it rarely happens. The frontlines i'm in usually have people say objectives, to disengage, to ignore certain objectives because last place can have them with no problems if not just outright ignored etc. There has not been a single time it was quiet when PLDs started cheesing the Objective, too. People following through is another thing tho.

I forgot that Monk existed tbh, so.... uh, yeah, Monk can also push people around. I forgot, even if I hate when monks do it to me, lmao, Stupid pingpong-cuddles...
There ARE counterplays against it, not that i say there was not.

But while it may push the PLD, the one they cover does not get pushed, right? Not sure how it interacted with that specific push right now.
And it doesn't push through guard either tho, right?

It IS a thing and It IS a problem, plds can literally just wait with HG until after they got lbed, if they are not focused down they will not die after all.
Especially if there's multiple of them, which happened more than once to me, too

Literally the easiest solution to not having one tactic that goes around the whole point of the mode, except you have any of the classes that counter it, which some people may not want to play (dancer range SUCKS and their lb also SUCKS, why do they have to shake so much before it works), is to make the pld in HG and the people they cover, being interrupted when attacked.
Nothing more, i know you can still cc HG-ed Plds, but it still doesn't affect covered people.
It is mostly the issue that the people they cover are immune to pretty much everything, not the pld themself, since cover cheese was always a thing, guard just made it worse.