Simple solution for Cover/Hallowed ground cheese

[Divinemights]

I know threads like this exist already, but my two cents to this whole debacle after being cheeses by plds in Onsal for basically every node just now and flames giving up and fighting second place instead of first:

Make attacks interrupt plds through hallowed.
Same for the person they cover.

With this, you can still protect people with cover and hallowed, but it is NOT free objective.

I know pld has 3 consistend counterplays, aka dancer, reaper and warrior.
Dancer range sucks and having to play reaper and or warrior just to counter it sucks, also.

And warrior can't break hallowed ground.

Just because it "has" some sort of counterplay it does not mean it is good counterplay.
Stuns etc. don't go through guard, even if it would, the person they have covered can still cap the objective.

Hence: Interruption.
Get attacked? Interrupted, just as it always worked.

You had it wrong right at beginning.
The easiest and most effective counter is MNK's enlightenment, it has 10M cast range and 15M knockback distance to break PLD's Guardian line. (Enlightenment knock back effect still active even PLD has Hollwground)
MNK also doesn't need assistance for survival when try to stop PLD guardian

Also, this problem is unique to EU and NA because of lack of communication.
There is no communication within party and everyone just mindless running around.
How are you going to counter a strategy without communication?

I also surprised how you are going to counter this strategy when deliberately ignore the existence of MNK?

[Cheremia]

You had it wrong right at beginning.
The easiest and most effective counter is MNK's enlightenment, it has 10M cast range and 15M knockback distance to break PLD's Guardian line. (Enlightenment knock back effect still active even PLD has Hollwground)
MNK also doesn't need assistance for survival when try to stop PLD guardian

Also, this problem is unique to EU and NA because of lack of communication.
There is no communication within party and everyone just mindless running around.
How are you going to counter a strategy without communication?

I also surprised how you are going to counter this strategy when deliberately ignore the existence of MNK?

Not many people want to play Monk just to counter PLD, even if told to kill/stun/whatever plds it rarely happens. The frontlines i'm in usually have people say objectives, to disengage, to ignore certain objectives because last place can have them with no problems if not just outright ignored etc. There has not been a single time it was quiet when PLDs started cheesing the Objective, too. People following through is another thing tho.

I forgot that Monk existed tbh, so.... uh, yeah, Monk can also push people around. I forgot, even if I hate when monks do it to me, lmao, Stupid pingpong-cuddles...
There ARE counterplays against it, not that i say there was not.

But while it may push the PLD, the one they cover does not get pushed, right? Not sure how it interacted with that specific push right now.
And it doesn't push through guard either tho, right?

It IS a thing and It IS a problem, plds can literally just wait with HG until after they got lbed, if they are not focused down they will not die after all.
Especially if there's multiple of them, which happened more than once to me, too

Literally the easiest solution to not having one tactic that goes around the whole point of the mode, except you have any of the classes that counter it, which some people may not want to play (dancer range SUCKS and their lb also SUCKS, why do they have to shake so much before it works), is to make the pld in HG and the people they cover, being interrupted when attacked.
Nothing more, i know you can still cc HG-ed Plds, but it still doesn't affect covered people.
It is mostly the issue that the people they cover are immune to pretty much everything, not the pld themself, since cover cheese was always a thing, guard just made it worse.

[Divinemights]

Not many people want to play Monk just to counter PLD, even if told to kill/stun/whatever plds it rarely happens. The frontlines i'm in usually have people say objectives, to disengage, to ignore certain objectives because last place can have them with no problems if not just outright ignored etc. There has not been a single time it was quiet when PLDs started cheesing the Objective, too. People following through is another thing tho.

Like I said, the primary reason why NA/EU is having this issue: the lack of communication.
To begin with, I never like Onsal Hakir even it may sounds I may sound I am defending it but I am only discuss about it from 3rd person's perspective (as someone dislike this mode)
Every time I joined Onsal Hakir, I always ask my alliance to mark the PLD who attempts to use Cover to Capture so easier for me to stop it; but I usually get one of the following:

1. total silence
2. jerky response like you are not my mom
3. Ranting and ranting but no mark

I forgot that Monk existed tbh, so.... uh, yeah, Monk can also push people around. I forgot, even if I hate when monks do it to me, lmao, Stupid pingpong-cuddles...
There ARE counterplays against it, not that i say there was not.

It is not something new, not many will play against Monk in mode like Onsal Hakir due to EU/NA's Horde Stampede style as it is quite a challenge to even stay alive.

But while it may push the PLD, the one they cover does not get pushed, right? Not sure how it interacted with that specific push right now.
And it doesn't push through guard either tho, right?

You pushed PLD 15M away to break Cover's 10M line; the target he is covering should be either killed by focus fire or Blota by Warrior away from caputre point

It IS a thing and It IS a problem, plds can literally just wait with HG until after they got lbed, if they are not focused down they will not die after all.
Especially if there's multiple of them, which happened more than once to me, too

First of all, I haven't see multiple PLDs doing this at same time on Primal, but yeah our experience may differs.
Also, point is not to kill the PLD, it is simply to break the Guardian line to render PLD becomes useless (they are literally useless this expansion on Frontline from my perspective anyway)

Literally the easiest solution to not having one tactic that goes around the whole point of the mode, except you have any of the classes that counter it, which some people may not want to play (dancer range SUCKS and their lb also SUCKS, why do they have to shake so much before it works), is to make the pld in HG and the people they cover, being interrupted when attacked.
Nothing more, i know you can still cc HG-ed Plds, but it still doesn't affect covered people.
It is mostly the issue that the people they cover are immune to pretty much everything, not the pld themself, since cover cheese was always a thing, guard just made it worse.

Nah, it is just EU/NA don't want to deal with it because majority just want an easy way out
The counter play is already effective in play in Asian Onsal Hakir

[Cheremia]

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Yeah i hate when silence happens or people just don't listen to callouts.
They are there for a reason, please...
And sometimes there are more Plds, sometimes there are less, it only really works with premades since randoms probably don't catch up that quick (seeing that you're covered without a macro is very hard sometimes lol)

And Dancer Lb and Reaper LB also sort of work like that, just not AS well. Warrior also works to disable the PLD guarding so they at least can be hit.

So while i do agree that there ARE counterplayes to the cover cheese, it doesn't mean they always work.
If the Pld is guarding while covering, the push will do nothing.

Like, i KNOW what you mean and i GET it. I AGREE that there ARE ways to counter it.
It is JUST not MANY classes can do it AND those classes have ALL have to run into danger.
The guarding Pld and the covered person attached to them are NOT the only people around, after all, there's like a bunch of other people that you have to get past.

The WHOLE pushing thing goes out of the window if the Paladin is covering and guarding while the covered person caps, since it's the exact lenght of the Guard. 5 seconds somebody said, that's how long potting takes and how long guard is

So in theory, the counterplays are sound and make sense
But do that when there's like, 3 whms lasering at any given point, Drgs jumping at you, Schs dotting you, nins doublestunning you, Drk pushing you around with salted earth, Smn dropping Bahamut at you, Warriors rending at the speed of sound, or blotaing you into their team, Sage lb where you have to get in just to be nuked by the rest of the alliance, Brds silencing, binding, whatever you, Blms doing blm things, Rdms totally fair aoe bind/silence, the random Mch lb that just nukes you.
Chainsaw, that still nukes you if you have the teeniest bit of damage (i'm very unlucky against chainsaws) etc.

There is SO much going on that being like "just do this counter strategy" just doesn't work. You sometimes have to fight both alliances at once, there are a lot of people. Tagreting in pvp is garbage.
There is counterplay, but the counterplay is very inconsistend and everybody that CAN counter it, has to get very close and uhm... well, let's just say that having to adjust to a singular pld and watch closely to what they do when and wait out their Guard (which is too late ANYWAYS) is basically impossible if 10 other people hit you at any given point if you stay in their melee range.

The point of Onsal is not to revolve your strategy around cheesing plds
but to smartly pursue nodes, leave nodes two alliances are tunnlevisioning over to snag other nodes, to fend off people smartly (at least try to), sandwich the winning team from time to time while also praying to rng that the winning team doesn't get all the good nodespawns (happened yesterday, was fun)

Edit: I'd like to say again that i do not want cover to be nerfed.
I just want the covered person to be interruptable while capping points, since that would basically just get rid of the cheese entirely without crippling cover.