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Because had you read his posts a while back, that's the point of what he's saying :T

Traditionally-masculine traits are villified because people have this ridiculous fixation that "masculine" = "testosterone junky", thuggish, violent, dirty, brute, dumb of head. Associating such traits does to it what you'd expect femininity to suffer with keywords like "demure, simple, domestic, beautiful, passive, petite"...
There's nothing wrong with large, bulky characters who are gruff and pragmatic with some vices. It isn't "edgy". It just needs to be written right. People like Dante from DMC, he's literally all this. So's Balthier.
But it's because it's so poorly characterized that media tends to shy away from making characters like that.

We don't have a representation in FF14 of traditionally-masculine male characters who aren't treated as brutes or jocks. Either they're villains or they're comic relief. In the Scions, the closest we have is Thancred, and while he's no-nonsense, the most he's expressed this was characterized as bad, as it came from his traumas and they harmed Ryne.

We do have other characters such as Raubahn or Gaius. But have you noticed how those are still Hyur-like? Where do you see Roegadyn act this way?

Roegadyn are portrayed as loud, simple-minded brutes. Often antagonistic and amoral. The one who isn't is Gosetsu... and guess what, he's still a loud simpleton, he just displays a little bit more chivalry. Merlwyb and Moenbryda also fit this stereotype but are female characters. And while there's nothing wrong with a loud, strong and boisterous woman, when they all act the same, it's a stereotype. Any exception to this is an unvoiced character with a minor role. We're not going to seek representation out of those. And Roegadyn are often used as a meme race by the community AND THE DEVS. Because hyper-masculine traits are treated with ridicule.

A race that's well-fit to have positive representation of traditionally-masculine traits without resorting to comic relief, degradation of the character due to racial stereotypes are Hrothgar. Chivalrous, respectful, gentile but can be quite feral in their mannerisms. And yet. Runar's meek. Magnus's depressed and constantly doubts life. I'd love to say the side content features better. But considering we're not given a chance to properly meet the Blades before they're unceremoniously offed... we're left with Bajsaljen, a good example. And Marsak, dumb simp.

You bring up "Mysoginy" but it's fine to have traditionally feminine women. Why wouldn't it be? So long as the portrayal is positive and doesn't shame women for it nor tell them that that's how they MUST be. And here's the issue. It's misandry to say that men can't express traditionally-masculine traits in a positive way. It's fine for women to not be as intelligent as Y'shtola or as strong as Alisaie. And it should be fine for men to be strong, bulky and gruff.

Edit of Edit: It really is fine for women to like girly and traditionally-feminine stuff. While you can argue about the implications and the social aspects of enjoying such things, it's still perfectly fine to enjoy Barbie and love Cottagecore aesthetics. So why is it such a big shock that men also feel comfortable with Action Man-style characters without reducing them to antagonism, unpleasantness or slapstick? Cabincore is a valid aesthetic as well.

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Limited daily posts are such trash -_- You really couldn't do this any other time?

could you name the "traditionally masculine traits" you're referring to, so everyone is on the same page?

Certainly.

Traditionally masculine traits and adjectives include Chivalrous, Stern, Paternal, Firm, Strategist, Stability (emotional stability, monetary stability...), Dependable, Serious, Protective, Practical or Pragmatic, Disciplined, Athletic, Progressive, Self-Assured.
If you want more physical traits, then you have Muscular, Scruffy, Large, Imposing, Deep-Voiced, Strong...

Or, you know... read what Aveyond-Dreams said because if I'm agreeing with him, odds are his words are what page I'm on thinking for yourself isn't a bad thing Boblawblah. It's called context. Third time you haven't read past my post and come in to judge. Is this all you do, police people? Or are you stalking me for any ambiguity? Others have ambiguity in their posts too, why aren't you doing that to them? I wonder if this is reportable though, because, I told you before, please get off my back, you are making me uncomfortable. Not because you want me to explain myself, 0 qualms with that. But because of the way you ask things, when it takes just one minute to look up or think. If I were wrong, I'd get, but you're just being weird. Anyway.

Modern masculinity and femininity tend to conflate stuff from eachother's traditional style. Often I see people define masculinity by the traits I mentioned on my previous post, which devalues what masculinity is meant to be. And worse, when I see masculinity being brought up, people react with "Misogyny!!" when really it's not. It doesn't have to be bad, just like how traditionally-feminine traits don't have to be bad, do they? Toxic masculinity is what you're considering if that's the case: dominant, forceful, aggressive...

Now take all I said and question yourselves. With such traits, can you make a Roegadyn work without debasing them like Grynewaht? As I said, even Gosetsu was loud and boisterous. You don't need to make characters that are loud just to express that they're men or have masculine traits (in the case of female characters), do you? So why insist on adding that to Roegadyn when they're the largest and muscular race we have? Because it's every. damn. Roegadyn out there. The potential to portray masculinity with such a physique rarely ever discards the stereotype and focuses on those traits.

You can argue that "when they were sundered, souls were incarnated into the traits they possessed the most", which would indeed create races born out of stereotypes... but a) No, because several characters break their race's stereotype both in and out of the Scions, and b) we know souls reincarnate into different bodies and races. Remember how a Sahagin had the Echo?

If anyone wants to ask stuff like this, they're free to do so. But maybe read the context before asking, because that generally has an answer.