Reaper needs additional buffs.

[ChaozK]

And again. You disproved nothing. A samurai that provides no party buff or utility is second highest on rdps and at the start of the tier it was at the very top. So selfish dps having lower rdps is nonsense.

I didnt say selfish dps should have lower rdps i am saying being selfish only means you are supposed to have high personal dps not rdps. Which Reaper is 3rd at. So saying RPR being dead last as a selfish dps isnt a correct statement. Either it means you dont understand what selfish dps means or you dont undestand that RPR isnt dead last in personal dps.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I didnt say selfish dps should have lower rdps i am saying being selfish only means you are supposed to have high personal dps not rdps. Which Reaper is 3rd at. So saying RPR being dead last as a selfish dps isnt a correct statement. Either it means you dont understand what selfish dps means or you dont undestand that RPR isnt dead last in personal dps.

It's dead last where it matters. Personal dps is ok to look at but the reality is you always have your party. People are not going to go "oh well I suppose reaper is better on nDPS so I will take it over this other melee"
No, they are gonna see that reaper provides the least to the group and pick the samurai or monk if given the choice. Look how few reapers cleared week one compared to other melee.

"rDPS is great for showing how much damage you really contributed to the raid, For utility jobs like Dancer and Ninja, the metric depends on people making good use of your buffs, so some damage you contribute to the raid is out of your control.

nDPS is great for showing how well you executed your rotation. This allows, for example, Dancers and Ninjas, to see how well they did even if placed with underperforming partners or groups."

And if you think "selfish only means you are supposed to have high personal dps not rdps" why then is reaper not just behind a samurai? Why is the monk ahead of it when it is less selfish?

It is quite simple. If the samurai had high personal dps but the rdps was so much lower than its peers then people would not take it. They would take the job with the higher rdps. It HAS to have high ndps AND rdps to compete with the other jobs who bring damage and raid buff+utility.

The damage difference of a reaper compared to a samurai was very significant and noticeable week 1.

[ChaozK]

It is quite simple. If the samurai had high personal dps but the rdps was so much lower than its peers then people would not take it. They would take the job with the higher rdps. It HAS to have high ndps AND rdps to compete with the other jobs who bring damage and raid buff+utility.

Raid dps is personal dps combined with raidbuffs (mug littany circle aso are already included) so all jobs should have the same rdps unless they also provide utility. NIN DRG SAM have no utility, while RPR does. Which is why those 3 are slightly ahead.

MNK is an outlier and arguably overtuned.

To put it in other words it doesnt matter if you deal your raid dps through high personal dps like a SAM or mediocre personal dps and raidbuffs like a DRG - both of those should end up with the same raid dps. SAM is justified to have higher personal dps than a DRG but not higher raid dps.

Thats what some people really struggle to understand.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Raid dps is personal dps combined with raidbuffs (mug littany circle aso are already included) so all jobs should have the same rdps unless they also provide utility. NIN DRG SAM have no utility, while RPR does. Which is why those 3 are slightly ahead.

MNK is an outlier and arguably overtuned.

To put it in other words it doesnt matter if you deal your raid dps through high personal dps like a SAM or mediocre personal dps and raidbuffs like a DRG - both of those should end up with the same raid dps. SAM is justified to have higher personal dps than a DRG but not higher raid dps.

Thats what some people really struggle to understand.

Sam literally has HIGHER RAID DPS than a DRG what are you on about go and look for yourself. It is outdone only by monk. I think you must not have eyes or cannot read a graph idk anymore.

Sam is not justified to have higher rdps than a drg??

Ykno what happens when the selfish dps does garbage rdps?? You get MCH. It's blocked from pf's on a regular basis. Selfish deeps need the higher personal dmg to keep up with those with raid buffs and utility they do not have. Reaper has the weaker raid buff and weaker utility skill. It should be higher end of story.