Reaper needs additional buffs.

[Flashy]

All DPS are selfish.

And I wouldn't call RPR a selfish DPS since their raid buff has to be used to even use PH alongside having a low CD weak shield that gives the party a HoT which they probably should of kept if their damage is going to be as low as it is.

And to get the most bang for your buck the whole party has to hit something to get a full power PH.

Reaper is very middle of the road and is very reliant on Enshroud/GibbetmahGallows for it's damage. Otherwise it's a wet noodle.

You can also make the argument that Reaper probably has lower damage because it suffers from ranged tax because it can Harpe from a distance and warp in and out of bad situations if it needs to.

I don't get what your point is here and feel like I'm just going to repeat myself with this response

When I say selfish DPS, I'm talking about SAM who uses the party members around them to shine by putting the most they can in raid buffs. RPR was advertised to be similar to this with high personal DPS, so my expectations were that it would be just under SAM, and at the lowest, maybe competing with MNK for that 2nd spot as an alternative to taking a SAM in a DNC comp

You can call RPR whatever you want but the design intent of RPR was to be more selfish than not

What it is at now is pathetic for having the personal DPS that it does and one of the weakest raid buffs in the game. I don't know where it stands at the moment but clearly it does not perform anywhere near what it was advertised to ever since patch 6.08

[Supersnow845]

I don't get what your point is here and feel like I'm just going to repeat myself with this response

When I say selfish DPS, I'm talking about SAM who uses the party members around them to shine by putting the most they can in raid buffs. RPR was advertised to be similar to this with high personal DPS, so my expectations were that it would be just under SAM, and at the lowest, maybe competing with MNK for that 2nd spot as an alternative to taking a SAM in a DNC comp

You can call RPR whatever you want but the design intent of RPR was to be more selfish than not

What it is at now is pathetic for having the personal DPS that it does and one of the weakest raid buffs in the game. I don't know where it stands at the moment but clearly it does not perform anywhere near what it was advertised to ever since patch 6.08

It doesn’t matter what RPR was “advertised as” because fact is it has a raid buff and one of the stronger bits of melee utility, should it still do more damage despite this, yes, does the fact that it’s underpowered mean it’s a selfish DPS, no

[MagiusNecros]

You can call RPR whatever you want but the design intent of RPR was to be more selfish than not

K. I'm going to call it middle of the road because that's what it is. SAM/BLM are your epitome of "selfish" because they provide no utilities. Just damage. Reaper provides more then that. 3% rDPS is still 3% and the HoT is up very often.

If it were me I'd add a fun mechanic where you get a stack of Sacrifice everytime something dies or you hit your positional so you can use Harvest more often. PH really shouldn't have a CD. And should not be tied to Arcane Circle.

If Enshroud is where the bulk of the damage comes from then level cap we should have a way to stay in Enshroud the whole fight because without it your damage is peanuts.

[FireMage]

Meh they should kill raid buffs and the 2 minute burst. Game might evolve if they did.

The game overall at current endgame has anything but an even playing field. Given you can be a top level MCH and still lose to a Mediocre Monk(Dragon Kick go brr).

As it should

Balance isn't all DPS having the same damage threshold. And on that note, Reaper should be the lowest of the melees

[remiff]

Since the 6.2 buff the reaper is already more decent than before and I think the buff is a bit underestimated,
you have to wait until the players are 'bis' and a few more weeks of log to see what what is the reaper really worth compared to other melee,
but on some fights the difference in DPS is minimal but not really fair with certains melee DPS, if they increase the DPS of the reaper, the buff will definitely be small.

[ChaozK]

When I say selfish DPS, I'm talking about SAM who uses the party members around them to shine by putting the most they can in raid buffs. RPR was advertised to be similar to this with high personal DPS, so my expectations were that it would be just under SAM, and at the lowest, maybe competing with MNK for that 2nd spot as an alternative to taking a SAM in a DNC comp

Thats exactly where RPR stands though, behind MNK at spot 3 in personal dps

Now when it comes to raid dps, all melee jobs should be roughly similar, with minor nods being given to defensive utility, which RPR is the best, so it gets to be 5th in raid dps.
That sounds completely fair to me.

[Lyth]

Always interesting to see the recurring arguments used by other dps players to keep RPR in a disadvantaged position.

You do realize that the rest of you collectively demanded Arcane Crest to be nerfed to a 1/3 of its healing potency, right? Now it's just a 50 potency regen tick. Why would you consider that to be 'defensive utility' when the likes of MNK can bring Mantra, boost all healing actions by 10%, and still reign as top of the rdps pack?

The only reason why people come in here with these absurd statements is because RPR mains have largely just been keeping quiet, while other jobs have been much more vocal (and aggressive) in their demands. It's only going to get worse from here. It's high time for that to change.

[FireMage]

Always interesting to see the recurring arguments used by other dps players to keep RPR in a disadvantaged position.

You do realize that the rest of you collectively demanded Arcane Crest to be nerfed to a 1/3 of its healing potency, right? Now it's just a 50 potency regen tick. Why would you consider that to be 'defensive utility' when the likes of MNK can bring Mantra, boost all healing actions by 10%, and still reign as top of the rdps pack?

The only reason why people come in here with these absurd statements is because RPR mains have largely just been keeping quiet, while other jobs have been much more vocal (and aggressive) in their demands. It's only going to get worse from here. It's high time for that to change.

RPR is also far easier than MNK to optimize, and has the best movement of all the melee

[ChaozK]

Well keep in mind what you are comparing it to. Arcane crest utility is minor but NIN, SAM and DRG literally have nothing, so if their raid dps was the same there would be no reason to not bring a RPR instead of them.

MNK having mantra and the highest raid dps is an oddity though for sure, i give you that.

[Lyth]

A compromise, then. Give every one of those jobs a regen that can be wasted as overheal, and nerf their dps down to RPR's level. We just want a level playing field where individual player skill is the main determinant of performance, and not their preferred job aesthetic.