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[aveyond-dreams]

I do not appreciate the attempt by some posters to derail the main subject of discussion by debating the color of Devout robes. In any case "cream" is not whatever color Krile wears in FFXIV. Her FFXIV outfit's yellow tone is much more stale-looking in comparison. Nevertheless, such attempts to drag the discussion away from the main subject matter were not made in good faith, as can be evidenced by the previous comments made by such posters which I have already brought up previously in this thread.

Consider that tangent of this discussion over. If you want to debate the color of her robe, do it in another thread and not in this one.

Whatever outfit she wears in 7.0 doesn't change the fact that at present we have no reason to believe she'll bring anything novel to the party. Despite having been experimented on by Zenos she shows no lasting signs of trauma or any other behavioral changes that show that she's been through something harrowing. I have very little reason to sympathize with her struggles, as women in FFXIV generally are barely allowed to have moments of emotional vulnerability.

The lack of them does not make for compelling or likeable heroines. No guise of "strength" will ever change the fact that women like her or Y'shtola rub people the wrong way with the sort of attitudes they display and the lack of any humbling moments. Mary Sues through and through. A few tears would go a long way, but I can't say expect either of these women to let their defenses down to the point where they allow the player to glimpse them in such a state.

I have already commented at length about why having so many characters from the same place and sharing the same ideology doesn't make for an interesting party. Though Zero does offer some pushback against the rest of the group, there aren't a lot of interesting or dynamic relationships between the beginnings of the new cast yet. Vrtra is very one-note about his sister and save for his remorse brings very little else in terms of personality. Estinien's arc no longer seems to be progressing in any direction, and I have been clear enough about my thoughts on Y'shtola and the other Sharlayans.

Krile would not be my first choice as a healer in the group, nor do I think it would be a good idea for her to act as a mascot for a new caster job - what casters need right now is a Dark-themed mage to fill the Void left behind by the loss of old Summoner, dots and all. I don't believe that Krile would be a good fit for such a class, not after her acting as Hydaelyn's mouthpiece in 6.0. We would best be served by a new character stepping into the role of the party's healer, and leaving both Krile and the other Scion healers behind.

With Zero, Y'shtola, and Krile making up the female members of the party, that only gives us 1 female party member with a unique attitude and perspective with the remaining 2 being essentially the same character in everything bar their appearance. This is unlikely to be conducive to the goal of creating more interesting dynamics within the party, not to mention the state of the male cast which to date only includes a defanged Estinien and Vrtra. With the latter sporting a face far too young and feminine for him coupled with now being referred to as the party's "little brother," he has fast burned through any excitement I may have had at one point for him joining the party. It definitely feels like I should care for him and his sister "because the story said so." As I've said before, that just isn't good enough.

Rather than trying to figure out which old Sharlayan or Scion to add to the cast, the focus should be redirected towards creating and introducing new, vibrant characters with distinct personalities, goals, and ways of treating each other. If I were to add a new woman to the cast, I would have chosen a more sensitive and friendly character in the same vein as Yuna, or perhaps Vanille. In terms of men, we are in desperate need still of some muscle and more masculine energy that Estinien isn't providing with that ponytail nor is Vrtra with the face that was designed for him. I would choose for them either a Highlander, Roegadyn, or even a Hrothgar to fill that role and just let him live out as himself to the fullest. An Iron Bull like character would be interesting to see, though as much as I enjoy Alistair I don't think introducing him would be fair as someone like Y'shtola would only undermine him in the same way she's done to other men. In which case, someone like Cullen from Dragon Age as well might suffice, or a shady and duty-driven character like how Chris Redfield acted in Resident Evil 8.

Since you never played any of the other games. You would realize that FFXIV's tone and themes are part of the series tradition to mix in light-hearted humor with fantasy elements, not the way you like to believe.

But I guess somebody who likes to complain about burgers in an already established world filled with high tech fantasy would fail to understand that.

I will not allow you to misrepresent my statements in this fashion. For those who missed the exchange several pages back, here is the full context:

I've been wanting to see the game becoming a bit more light-hearted and even goofier; we've just gone through a very sad and depressing timeline and i'm not crazy about going through more dark storylines all over again.

I'm even completely open to FFXIV post EW to go completely "anime" because at least i'll smile more and not cry as much. Bring back the silliness and slapstick of Stormblood i say!

Please give us more fish humor.

I have no idea why you want to change FFXIV from its origins as a balanced high fantasy story into that. There are other games that suit those specific tastes better than this one ever could.

[Lauront]

Krile would not be my first choice as a healer in the group, nor do I think it would be a good idea for her to act as a mascot for a new caster job - what casters need right now is a Dark-themed mage to fill the Void left behind by the loss of old Summoner, dots and all. I don't believe that Krile would be a good fit for such a class, not after her acting as Hydaelyn's mouthpiece in 6.0. We would best be served by a new character stepping into the role of the party's healer, and leaving both Krile and the other Scion healers behind.

That is exactly what I hope they will add. Much as I agree she'd ill fit such a job, they're not really constrained by such considerations based on prior jobs, plus an outfit change can be just that.

[Midareyukki]

Well, as an old fan of the series, he should know, especially when he makes statements out as fact and not assumption.

Aveyond does this to himself, and has no one else to blame.

Sure, but MAN you guys just lose your manners when it comes to him :T

I don't need to agree with other people in the forums to call them out. Usually I try to reason with them, but when they just refuse to think, then yeah. I call them out on it and move on. I likely forgot who the person is by the end of the week, and if I don't, I'll just ignore whatever crap happened and listen to them bc sometimes they might actually have better ideas.

Besides, people make mistakes. Just somewhere else on the forums I forgot Galuf dies, and I've played through the vast majority of the franchise thus far xD

I agree that this thread's fixation with Krile's clothes are weird. Regardless of whether it's inspired by Devout or not, it's still Krile's clothes from FF5. Devout only serves to show one thing: that the design isn't unique to FF5, and likely served as inspiration past it. If Square decided to sell such an outfit, a generalized name for it would be "Devout Robe" and not "Krile's Robe". Likely "Devout Robe" would be dyeable, thus enabling you to paint it yellow and get to "Krile's Robe". It's not as unique as the Lionheart Set or Yuna's Summoner gowns.

You are the one making a fool of yourself, apparently being unable to read. Krile's clothes are SURPRISE, SURPRISE: KRILE'S CLOTHES. Our Krile is using old Krile's outfit. It's her outfit, directly from the old game, not a recolor of a devout. Do you understand now? Do you want to act smug still? I swear, this forum is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

Not trying to act smug here, but I do think it is a recolour of Devout's robes. Or, rather, a redesign.

Because what happened to FF3 and FF5 is that the console changed. Had it not changed, it'd be a recolour, but no, it changed, and because of that the sprite had to be redone.
So it's Krile's Sprite, it's Krile's robes... but the design comes from FF3's Devout. Likely because it was a cute design for it given that Krile is meant to be a child.

This is like saying "Oh the stuff you get from the previous tomestone set isn't Rydia's outfit, it's caster robes that just happen to resemble Rydia's outfit". Yes, it's Krile's clothes, but it has a precedence in FF3's design for Devout.

seriously, is it so hard to admit both parties are right from different points of view??

[Midareyukki]

What I find hilarious is that people are going ham over Krile's bloody clothes just because Aveyond-Dreams flubbed the line, an argument where both sides have merit because they're two angles on the exact same idea, and no one's mentioned why Krile was a character with more depth than she appears to have.

People pointed to her suffering at Zenos's hands. We see in Castrum Abania that they have experiments there, but it's only when you reach Dabog in Bozja that you REALLY understand the crap Krile was going to undergo had we not intervened. Her suffering and the consequences thereof are not explored, which contribute to making Krile feel like a background character.

The issue with Krile isn't that she can be given a new relevant place on the plot. It's that the plot hasn't done a successful job at doing so, so whatever she has will now appear rather shoehorned in.

Better late than never, I guess? But if that's going to be the case, why go for Krile? Why not accept that you flubbed this character's writing and go in with a fresh character with a more solid footing?

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm just gonna say this. If you guys are complaining about how this story and game happens to add in light-hearted elements and moments into it, then you're playing the wrong series. FF stories traditionally dont always take itself too seriously and some of the best titles have some of the wackiest things and character moments to add in some levity into it. Oh yeah FFVII, arguably the best game in the franchise to a lot of folk, has a talkin cat doll riding a giant moogle droid and fights with a megaphone, the main protag havent to dress in drag, go snowboarding after experiencing an emotional point in the game's story and the list can go on.

Having a game be all "no nonsense" and "realistic" isnt imo an enjoyable experience and there's already plenty of other rpgs that do that in spades. Final Fantasy is not for you.

I feel the complaints here and a gross exaggeration over whats actually presented in-game. None of the light tone elements overstay its welcome, they're all spread out.

[aveyond-dreams]

If the goofiness was so balanced and well-paced then there wouldn't be as many unique posters complaining about that specific aspect of Endwalker in this thread alone. But by all means, carry on.

Anyone who has played the entire series like I have knows that something went wrong with this when it came to 6.0, bar the few posters who don't appear to have any distinct parameters for what they like or dislike about games in general, as I've never heard them articulate their positions with any arguments that weren't just "well I liked it."

Having a game be so profoundly oversaturated with elements that don't belong in its setting imo isn't an enjoyable experience and there's already plenty of other rpgs that do slice of life and modern stuff in spades. Final Fantasy is not for you.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Sure, but MAN you guys just lose your manners when it comes to him :T

I mean, he is making personal attacks against me, instead of the topic.

If the goofiness was so balanced and well-paced then there wouldn't be as many unique posters complaining about that specific aspect of Endwalker in this thread alone. But by all means, carry on.

Anyone who has played the entire series like I have knows that something went wrong with this when it came to 6.0, bar the few posters who don't appear to have any distinct parameters for what they like or dislike about games in general, as I've never heard them articulate their positions with any arguments that weren't just "well I liked it."

Having a game be so profoundly oversaturated with elements that don't belong in its setting imo isn't an enjoyable experience and there's already plenty of other rpgs that do slice of life and modern stuff in spades. Final Fantasy is not for you.

You literally have a signature with you in a modern outfit riding a car. Clearly you like some aspects of that.

[aveyond-dreams]

Enough derailment.

I welcome anyone to look through the entirety of my post history to find where I have ever personally attacked an individual apart from calling out behavior that wasn’t in the best interest in this or other discussions.

Whereas a look through those of certain individuals might be quite revealing. My position on what people do with their WoLs outside the MSQ has already been stated in other threads - I don't go through the MSQ looking like this and I will never show you what my main character looks like so don't bother asking. Burgers and Starbucks do not belong in the main story that is supposed to be a principal draw of this game.

In any case, Krile proves to be a controversial potential addition to the main cast and she is not on good standing with a significant sector of the playerbase. Fortunately, it is still early enough that whatever role she was set to play in 7.0 may be rewritten so that another can take her place.

Something similar happened in Endwalker, so it can very well happen again. Anyone who is interested in having extended discussions about myself or whatever issues they have with me can go make their own thread about it and stay out of this one.

[Atelier-Bagur]

If the goofiness was so balanced and well-paced then there wouldn't be as many unique posters complaining about that specific aspect of Endwalker in this thread alone. But by all means, carry on.

Anyone who has played the entire series like I have knows that something went wrong with this when it came to 6.0, bar the few posters who don't appear to have any distinct parameters for what they like or dislike about games in general, as I've never heard them articulate their positions with any arguments that weren't just "well I liked it."

Having a game be so profoundly oversaturated with elements that don't belong in its setting imo isn't an enjoyable experience and there's already plenty of other rpgs that do slice of life and modern stuff in spades. Final Fantasy is not for you.

You clearly have not played the whole series then. I have played FF1-14 religiously and the story beats and tones in FFXIV is no different to what previous games had. I call bs on that statement of yours.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Enough derailment.

I welcome anyone to look through the entirety of my post history to find where I have ever personally attacked an individual apart from calling out behavior that wasn’t in the best interest in this or other discussions.

Whereas a look through those of certain individuals might be quite revealing. My position on what people do with their WoLs outside the MSQ has already been stated in other threads - I don't go through the MSQ looking like this and I will never show you what my main character looks like so don't bother asking. Burgers and Starbucks do not belong in the main story that is supposed to be a principal draw of this game.

In any case, Krile proves to be a controversial potential addition to the main cast and she is not on good standing with a significant sector of the playerbase. Fortunately, it is still early enough that whatever role she was set to play in 7.0 may be rewritten so that another can take her place.

Something similar happened in Endwalker, so it can very well happen again. Anyone who is interested in having extended discussions about myself or whatever issues they have with me can go make their own thread about it and stay out of this one.

You were the one who derailed the thread by accusing others of derailing the thread by literally responding to you posting something as fact when it was wrong.

You do this every time. And no, a significant portion of the playerbase is not upset about the possibility of more krile. You are.