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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The lack of self sustain is a bit noticeable now in the new raid tier, considering the tankbusters are giving DoTs afterwards.
    I recently got back in the game, so I've only recently got my first clear of P5S, but TBN has been pretty decent for Toxic Bite/Venomous Mass. TBN's 15 second cooldown really shines through for mitigating the DoT of yourself and your co-tank, as I can initially put TBN+Oblation on myself to mitigate the initial damage and then the DoT, and then cover the main tank's DoT with another TBN since the CD is so short. Not to mention Venom Surge/Squall. The extra mitigation for the auto-attacks+DoT is really nice.

    Not to say DRK doesn't need more sustain; I still wish Abyssal Drain had some more raid use.
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    Last edited by Sazuzaki; 09-07-2022 at 12:02 PM.

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    I'd say DRK feels like a more offensive WAR. I say this cause they play little similarly offensive wise with Inner Release/Delirium and Beast/Blood Guage, but play completely different defensively.


    WAR feels like you're playing around how low you can get your health to maximize healer damage, and then get your health back up with Thrill of Battle + BW + Equilibrium.

    DRK feels like you're putting your DPS on the line with TBN to maximize mitigation and also healer damage.

    Though changes to Delirium and the Blood Gauge would be really appreciated
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    Last edited by Sazuzaki; 09-07-2022 at 03:54 PM.

  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sazuzaki View Post
    I recently got back in the game, so I've only recently got my first clear of P5S, but TBN has been pretty decent for Toxic Bite/Venomous Mass. TBN's 15 second cooldown really shines through for mitigating the DoT of yourself and your co-tank, as I can initially put TBN+Oblation on myself to mitigate the initial damage and then the DoT, and then cover the main tank's DoT another TBN since the CD is so short. Not to mention Venom Surge/Squall. The extra mitigation for the auto-attacks+DoT is really nice.

    Not to say DRK doesn't need more sustain; I still wish Abyssal Drain had some more raid use.
    I really wish AD was the MP spender and not Flood. No Darkside gain, has the same initial damage as Edge, but with a 400 Cure Potency and a 35% drop in damage for each enemy hit other than the original target. Cure Potency would drop to 200 per other enemy hit as well (if you really wanted to avoid it being busted in dungeons).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I really wish AD was the MP spender and not Flood. No Darkside gain, has the same initial damage as Edge, but with a 400 Cure Potency and a 35% drop in damage for each enemy hit other than the original target. Cure Potency would drop to 200 per other enemy hit as well (if you really wanted to avoid it being busted in dungeons).
    Agreed, I'll type out the rest of my reply in the Dark Knight Megathread as to not go off-topic in this one
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    Valesti Nibelung
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    DRK : Your average My Chemical Romance fan
    WAR : Your average Linkin Park fan who is angry at their dad

    Pick your poison
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The lack of self sustain is a bit noticeable now in the new raid tier, considering the tankbusters are giving DoTs afterwards.
    Perhaps, but you get to snapshot each of those dots with oblation, dark mind, and either rampart or shadow wall. If you hit TBN at the very beginning of the cast you can also hit it again mid-way through the dot, if you *really* need the extra survivability. I am noticeably less squishy than my WAR co-tank this tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Depends on what content you do. In dungeons, normal raids and alliance raids it really doesn't matter, dps is negligeable in fights with no enrage that you can just slowly whittle down.

    In savage however we can currently see the problem with tank dps, the gap between PLD/WAR and DRK/GNB is so big that the former get excluded from P8S parties because groups struggle to beat the enrage with the lower dps tanks.
    Do you mean how Party finder groups are banning certain tanks? I think that's less of a problem with the job damage and more of a problem with certain members of the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeZealot View Post
    Do you mean how Party finder groups are banning certain tanks? I think that's less of a problem with the job damage and more of a problem with certain members of the community.
    In this case it isn't a problem with members of the community or party finder enforcing some nonsense meta, there is in fact a clear problem with job balance right now.


    Bringing Paladin and Warrior instead of Gunbreaker and Dark Knight can cost you as much as 600 dps, that may not sound like much but with P8S phase 1's dps check being so tight it actually is. Granted other jobs have it even worse, bringing a Redmage instead of a Blackmage can cost you 1k dps. Those are numbers that absolutely can determine whether you beat the enrage or not.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 09-08-2022 at 01:10 PM.

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    In a nutshell, Warriors are the best main tank in the game, Drks are the best off tank in the game. Warriors have decent damage almost the same as DRK's but with much greater sustain, Dark's damage is higher than warriors so taking one give a dps increase and added in that they can use TBN on allies means you can aid the main tank when tank busters hit allowing you to dps more.
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    Everything warrior does drk does better, why bother?
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