Endwalker Story sucked and it's time to admit it

[SentioftheHoukai]

Alexander already calculated out the outcome of every possible alteration to the timeline, in past, present, and future. Alexander probably could have even altered the events on Elpis if it wanted to. It decided that we were on the optimal timeline and deliberately removed itself from the equation in order to prevent others from meddling with it. Reflect on that if you will.

You get an updoot just because that was hilarious. Don't you ever change, I need my daily dose of humours. ;3

[Deusteele]

Endwalker is a perfectly told Final Fantasy story. Within a short time of the beginning the story we are told our villain, we are told why we must stop this villain and over the course of the tale we approach the villains lair with our band of friends and ultimately slay them. Full stop. We then learn how little we really know that we have to learn how the tale started and this culminates in stopping the true Evil that plagues the story. Credits Roll.

[Kozh]

Alexander already calculated out the outcome of every possible alteration to the timeline, in past, present, and future. Alexander probably could have even altered the events on Elpis if it wanted to. It decided that we were on the optimal timeline and deliberately removed itself from the equation in order to prevent others from meddling with it. Reflect on that if you will.

(Ah yes, Alexander. A character created for side story, back in time where the writers don't even know what the Ascian supposed to be)

I guess the 8UC timeline not knowing meteion existence (therefore venat's plan fails) is optimal then. Reflect on that if you will.

[Iscah]

I guess the 8UC timeline not knowing meteion existence (therefore venat's plan fails) is optimal then. Reflect on that if you will.

The 8UC timeline forms a critical part of the timeline that sustains the Elpis time loop. If it didn't happen, we wouldn't have the time portal technology that takes us back to Elpis.

Also, it's entirely in the realm of fanfic, but it's not impossible for an alternate resolution to the problem to be found. For now, their world is still shielded by Zodiark and the elder Ascians likely still exist to keep Fandaniel's ambitions in check. Hydaelyn might recognise that the time loop is broken and can give humanity a more direct warning about Meteion when needed. Everything would play out differently.

In short, if all paths lead to disaster except for one that creates both a disaster timeline and a disaster-averted timeline, then that is still going to be the best outcome.

[Lyth]

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Alexander computed out the entire timeline, past, present, and future, which would have included both the 8UC and G'raha's actions. A critical part of their calculations was actually revolved around the future actions of the Warrior of Light, if you recall Dayan's explanation to Mide at the end of the raid series. Alex was quite possibly the most powerful primal we've ever seen. I know that as an established mangaka you feel compelled to defend your work, but some things were just not meant to be, reddit memes aside.

[Jandor]

To be fair, in an alternate universe fan-fiction where things go differently, it would probably go without saying that Alexander would have seen something different.

[Kozh]

Alexander computed out the entire timeline, past, present, and future, which would have included both the 8UC and G'raha's actions. A critical part of their calculations was actually revolved around the future actions of the Warrior of Light, if you recall Dayan's explanation to Mide at the end of the raid series. Alex was quite possibly the most powerful primal we've ever seen. I know that as an established mangaka you feel compelled to defend your work, but some things were just not meant to be, reddit memes aside.

I'm sorry, does anyone here talking about my comic?? Anybody? No?

I know you're desperate to "win" the argument, but you know you don't need to resort to thinly veiled personal attack like that, right

Anyway, using Alexander as an excuse is funny to me. Because that means you're fine with a computer primal deciding and handing pre-ordained fate to mankind because he calculated it. This is against the game theme, and more importantly, are we forgetting dynamis? The deus ex machina that enables impossible things to happen

"Alex is the most powerful primal" lol. Your primal can't even function properly without draining the surrounding aether in an instant. Where are you going to find enough aether for him to function more than a minute?

Damn, can't believe the game truly said "you guys will be sacrificed so the protag (and only his world) can survive" to the 8UC people... u_u

Also, it's entirely in the realm of fanfic, but it's not impossible for an alternate resolution to the problem to be found. For now, their world is still shielded by Zodiark and the elder Ascians likely still exist to keep Fandaniel's ambitions in check. Hydaelyn might recognise that the time loop is broken and can give humanity a more direct warning about Meteion when needed. Everything would play out differently.

Okay so why didn't she do it in the first place? /think

Speaking of, how does AltVenat knows about meteion if the WoL of that timeline died? And nobody else went back in time. For all we knew, the sundering that happen there might be an accident, or maybe she truly that mad. So yeah, 8UC timeline is screwed no matter what, because their hydaelyn doesn't know anything. Their only hope is midgarsomr, but what can a lone dragon do to save etheirys?

[Necrotica]

I'm sorry, does anyone here talking about my comic?? Anybody? No?

I know you're desperate to "win" the argument, but you know you don't need to resort to thinly veiled personal attack like that, right

Anyway, using Alexander as an excuse is funny to me. Because that means you're fine with a computer primal deciding and handing pre-ordained fate to mankind because he calculated it. This is against the game theme, and more importantly, are we forgetting dynamis? The deus ex machina that enables impossible things to happen

"Alex is the most powerful primal" lol. Your primal can't even function properly without draining the surrounding aether in an instant. Where are you going to find enough aether for him to function more than a minute?

Damn, can't believe the game truly said "you guys will be sacrificed so the protag (and only his world) can survive" to the 8UC people... u_u




Okay so why didn't she do it in the first place? /think

Speaking of, how does AltVenat knows about meteion if the WoL of that timeline died? And nobody else went back in time. For all we knew, the sundering that happen there might be an accident, or maybe she truly that mad. So yeah, 8UC timeline is screwed no matter what, because their hydaelyn doesn't know anything. Their only hope is midgarsomr, but what can a lone dragon do to save etheirys?

There are many things worth debating in the Lore of FF14. I am of the opinion the time travel is not one of them. It is so beyond poorly written and stupid you HAVE to ignore it in order to have any kind of conversation. (By ignore I mean blindly accept the way it works. I know I know it is painful but there is no rationalizing or fixing it. Just got to roll with it.)

[Iscah]

Okay so why didn't she do it in the first place? /think

Speaking of, how does AltVenat knows about meteion if the WoL of that timeline died? And nobody else went back in time. For all we knew, the sundering that happen there might be an accident, or maybe she truly that mad. So yeah, 8UC timeline is screwed no matter what, because their hydaelyn doesn't know anything. Their only hope is midgarsomr, but what can a lone dragon do to save etheirys?

Hydaelyn couldn't tell us about Meteion in this timeline because we need to innocently blunder into setting the whole thing off. But the future Warriors of Light she (presumably eventually) creates to replace us in the other timeline don't have the same concern because they don't need to fulfil that same role.

And "alt-Venat" knows about Meteion because there wasn't an alt-Venat until the two timelines separate as a consequence of Shadowbringers. There's only one version of events at Elpis, involving us (never our counterpart) travelling back there from our branch of the timeline.

a computer primal deciding and handing pre-ordained fate to mankind because he calculated it.

You seem to be talking as if by "calculating" our fate, Alexander directly creates our future. It is simply predicting what people are going to do, and deciding to let them keep doing it.

Also, a factor in its calculations is its own impact on the aether of the land around it, so it's not just "is this the best possible thing that could happen" but "would I improve or detract from the state of the world in the long run by interfering" and has concluded that there is no scenario where interference is worth the cost.

more importantly, are we forgetting dynamis? The deus ex machina that enables impossible things to happen

Dynamis well may have been factored into Alexander's predictive abilities, since they're magically derived from its summoners presumably wishing for it to have the power to make accurate predictions, so the universe somehow conjured up a being that has all the necessary data to do so.

To be fair, in an alternate universe fan-fiction where things go differently, it would probably go without saying that Alexander would have seen something different.

Yes, of course, but that's not really my point.

Whether Alexander sees the 8UC timeline eventually playing out well or badly, it also sees that those events will be the route to spawning this timeline where (we hope) things will lead to that "best possible future".

[Neoyoshi]

It sucked so much that i cried for two weeks.