Endwalker Story sucked and it's time to admit it

[Jandor]

To be fair, in an alternate universe fan-fiction where things go differently, it would probably go without saying that Alexander would have seen something different.

[Iscah]

Okay so why didn't she do it in the first place? /think

Speaking of, how does AltVenat knows about meteion if the WoL of that timeline died? And nobody else went back in time. For all we knew, the sundering that happen there might be an accident, or maybe she truly that mad. So yeah, 8UC timeline is screwed no matter what, because their hydaelyn doesn't know anything. Their only hope is midgarsomr, but what can a lone dragon do to save etheirys?

Hydaelyn couldn't tell us about Meteion in this timeline because we need to innocently blunder into setting the whole thing off. But the future Warriors of Light she (presumably eventually) creates to replace us in the other timeline don't have the same concern because they don't need to fulfil that same role.

And "alt-Venat" knows about Meteion because there wasn't an alt-Venat until the two timelines separate as a consequence of Shadowbringers. There's only one version of events at Elpis, involving us (never our counterpart) travelling back there from our branch of the timeline.

a computer primal deciding and handing pre-ordained fate to mankind because he calculated it.

You seem to be talking as if by "calculating" our fate, Alexander directly creates our future. It is simply predicting what people are going to do, and deciding to let them keep doing it.

Also, a factor in its calculations is its own impact on the aether of the land around it, so it's not just "is this the best possible thing that could happen" but "would I improve or detract from the state of the world in the long run by interfering" and has concluded that there is no scenario where interference is worth the cost.

more importantly, are we forgetting dynamis? The deus ex machina that enables impossible things to happen

Dynamis well may have been factored into Alexander's predictive abilities, since they're magically derived from its summoners presumably wishing for it to have the power to make accurate predictions, so the universe somehow conjured up a being that has all the necessary data to do so.

To be fair, in an alternate universe fan-fiction where things go differently, it would probably go without saying that Alexander would have seen something different.

Yes, of course, but that's not really my point.

Whether Alexander sees the 8UC timeline eventually playing out well or badly, it also sees that those events will be the route to spawning this timeline where (we hope) things will lead to that "best possible future".

[Lauront]

Also, a factor in its calculations is its own impact on the aether of the land around it, so it's not just "is this the best possible thing that could happen" but "would I improve or detract from the state of the world in the long run by interfering" and has concluded that there is no scenario where interference is worth the cost.

I suppose what caused the confusion then for that poster is partly the wording here:

Alexander already calculated out the outcome of every possible alteration to the timeline, in past, present, and future. Alexander probably could have even altered the events on Elpis if it wanted to. It decided that we were on the optimal timeline and deliberately removed itself from the equation in order to prevent others from meddling with it. Reflect on that if you will.

So really to be correct, the bolded requires a "...given the aetheric cost for the primal in question to alter it" qualifier.

Though with it appended, their supposed "QED" begins to appear as though it's written on a scruffy paper note that can just as readily be scrunched up and discarded in the bin, as need dictates. Granted, that'd be the case with or without it.

[sidurgu-12]

Really, I think what should have happened is our boi Alex offing himself FROM THE START and saving us a whole bunch of trouble. I mean, he was gonna commit hari-kiri anyway right?



Whatever helps you sleep at night and dismiss other's opinions, I suppose.

All I'm saying is, if you were truly still in mourning over Endwalker you'd realize the true victims of the narrative are the Ancients. Instead, you spend all your time extolling the virtues of and defending Endwalker's plot on these here yonder forums of yore. Nobody of import died amongst the Sundered, so if not the Ancients who are you mourning? Ergo, you find their deaths permissible and do not find their demises a tragedy. Or, at least not as much of a tragedy as the few feckless Sundered who turned into monsters and died because Mother made it so. In closing for the sake of posterity I'll just go ahead and add this:

"Psssst. Hail Hydaelyn."

how about the blasphemies and their victims? the children twisted on screen who devoured their parents soon after? a nation of brainwashed people driven to the brink? and yes the ancients. my original statement was an embellishment but it still stands that i do think ew is a story of tragedy and hope.

[Hurlstone]

how about the blasphemies and their victims? the children twisted on screen who devoured their parents soon after? a nation of brainwashed people driven to the brink? and yes the ancients. my original statement was an embellishment but it still stands that i do think ew is a story of tragedy and hope.

The scene of the scared child being changed, and then crushed by a larger Blasphemie, was one of the most horrific moments in the game. Up there with Tesleen's transformation.

[SentioftheHoukai]

The scene of the scared child being changed, and then crushed by a larger Blasphemie, was one of the most horrific moments in the game. Up there with Tesleen's transformation.

For all that anybody talks about it, then yes it is. Of course, nobody ever even mentions it. Kinda like how nobody seems to give a single shit about Ga Bu unless it suits the argument of the day(tm).

[EaraGrace]

Whatever helps you sleep at night and dismiss other's opinions, I suppose.

For the briefest moment I thought you could be reasonable and respectful Senti. Guess I should just accept you won’t be.

All I'm saying is, if you were truly still in mourning over Endwalker you'd realize the true victims of the narrative are the Ancients.

Right the real victims were the group trying to sacrifice a whole planet because they can’t handle their grief. Not all those who died on the shards in unnecessary tragedies.

You know they can be something other than blameless victims to be grieved for right?

Instead, you spend all your time extolling the virtues of and defending Endwalker's plot on these here yonder forums of yore. Nobody of import died amongst the Sundered, so if not the Ancients who are you mourning?

I miss Ahewann, and feel for Mehvan and Qerasafs child. I miss Venat, and yes I’m sad for Hermes and Meteion. Who are you to tell me who to mourn? I have never objected to those who cried for Emet and Elidibus, and even if I argued they were evil.

Ergo, you find their deaths permissible and do not find their demises a tragedy. Or, at least not as much of a tragedy as the few feckless Sundered who turned into monsters and died because Mother made it so. In closing for the sake of posterity I'll just go ahead and add this:

"Psssst. Hail Hydaelyn."

How childish.

[jameseoakes]

For the briefest moment I thought you could be reasonable and respectful Senti. Guess I should just accept you won’t be.



Right the real victims were the group trying to sacrifice a whole planet because they can’t handle their grief. Not all those who died on the shards in unnecessary tragedies.
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Now you are just making nonsense up, that wasn't what they were planning at all. And the ancients were victims of a horrific disaster of unimaginable scale and completely unnessacry as that whole thing is the fault of two people

[sidurgu-12]

Now you are just making nonsense up, that wasn't what they were planning at all. And the ancients were victims of a horrific disaster of unimaginable scale and completely unnessacry as that whole thing is the fault of two people

i think theyre talking about the ascians, not the ancients. and yeah emet admits that they do plan to sacrifice the rejoined people of the source. though he does also say the rejoinings are nothing but a blessing since each one strengthens the source.

[SentioftheHoukai]

For the briefest moment I thought you could be reasonable and respectful Senti. Guess I should just accept you won’t be.



Right the real victims were the group trying to sacrifice a whole planet because they can’t handle their grief. Not all those who died on the shards in unnecessary tragedies.

You know they can be something other than blameless victims to be grieved for right?



I miss Ahewann, and feel for Mehvan and Qerasafs child. I miss Venat, and yes I’m sad for Hermes and Meteion. Who are you to tell me who to mourn? I have never objected to those who cried for Emet and Elidibus, and even if I argued they were evil.



How childish.

Oh? And what should I just accept all of y'all are? Condescending, hypocritical? Never to engage in good faith or make consistent arguments? Again, to use one of your excuses I simply don't have it in me to be nice all the time. Not to this forum, and some of those who post on it.

I didn't tell anyone how to mourn. Funnily enough, some of us are constantly told how to feel regarding some of the "villainous" members of the cast and if we do not we are somehow guilty of openly supporting dictatorial and genocidal regimes in reality. I am tired of attempting to make nice only to be met with a bunch of people who refuse to do the same and think I'm not intelligent enough to realize what they're saying behind the polite lies, the passive-aggressiveness, and the sneers hidden by hands.

Fun fact: The claim that someone "lacks reading comprehension" is merely an overelaborate manner of calling someone lacking in wits whilst being too craven to mention it outright, and it always has been. Contemplate that 'afore you lecture me on my conduct, please.