Samurai is dead to me, thanks square (Kaiten 6.2)

[Avoidy]

Yeah they want broader appeal so they're dumbing everything down. Square isn't listening to your feedback because they didn't design these changes with you in mind. There are thousands of people who are trying SAM for the first time specifically because of these changes that made it easier to play but also strong as hell. It was the same with SMN. It was the same with all the tanks when they gutted those. And it's probably the same with healers too, but nobody ever wants to heal in this game lmao.

Sucks, but yeah. If you enjoy nuance and thinking and a learning curve, play blm. It's the only safe option. I hear yoshi's wife plays ast, and even that job gets gutted with every expansion. Nothing else is safe. If Yoshi ever hangs it up and quits or whatever, then BLMs everywhere will break out into a cold sweat as their enochian trait gets completely removed and their job turns into "uhhh just spam fire4 xD" and people tell them to stop complaining because it's a good thing that their job is only one button because it makes it easier for people who want to play the game but have no fingers.

[Yukimin]

I agree with Avoidy. This game isn't made for the people who've been playing the longest. This game is now being made to cater to the -super- casual crowd like the people from Second Life. After all, jobs need to very easy so you can get those glams, right? After all, that is the endgame. Shiney trials, shiney raids, shiney alliance raids and shiney dungeons, all that are REALLY easy compared to what we had in A Realm Reborn and Heavensward. But it doesn't stop there. They also need to make them easier, extremely linear and "fix" trials like Titan, Sophia, etc. What a joke.

[Gemina]

Yeah they want broader appeal so they're dumbing everything down. Square isn't listening to your feedback because they didn't design these changes with you in mind. There are thousands of people who are trying SAM for the first time specifically because of these changes that made it easier to play but also strong as hell. It was the same with SMN. It was the same with all the tanks when they gutted those. And it's probably the same with healers too, but nobody ever wants to heal in this game lmao.

You are correct about the design changes were made without taking the playerbase in mind. They just made them, and we were told to accept them without any explanation for the changes other than a subtle passive comment that they will take the feedback into consideration.

Alienating the most faithful players in favor of the temporary flux of new players is not a good idea in the long term. Gaming publishers and studios have been doing this for years now. They take their faithful players for granted, and use their loyalty against them to keep them lured in only for them to discover that it's just a skin to disguise concepts and ideas that take a giant steaming dump on what made the game good, enjoyable, and popular in the first place; only later to release some kind of "classic" version to appeal to the nostalgic players they stepped on after the locusts have fled. It is indicative of greed, and it's totally effed up.

DPS jobs are designed to put up the numbers. Unlike healers and tanks, their focus should be entirely on killing their enemies as quickly as possible, so it does not make sense to sacrifice core concepts to a job's design in order to appeal to more players. When it comes to a job like SAM, which by end of ShB so many players were already honing their blades in endgame; did they really need to reel in more players to the job? Or would it have been a better design choice to make what is awesome about the job even better?

They did mention button bloat. Ok. So why rob Peter to pay Paul? There are other skills that are still part of SAMs arsenal that would have been more prudent and practical to remove. Was Kenki management a problem? And was it so much of one that it warranted these changes? Is that why? The dev's have not mentioned anything like that. Also doesn't make much sense if the number of SAMs participating in endgame drops off.

I can't make any sense of it. I just know that SAM is not my favorite job right now.

[CelestiCer]

Somehow this reminds me of a metaphor someone made about us loving Spaghetti, it's amazing, we fell in love with it, it's authentic...

Meanwhile SE as the chef...

• Lets remove the Basil and half the Sauce
• Lets remove the sides the Panzanella Salad and the Garlic Bread
• Lets remove the Parmesan Cheese and also not use Olive oil btw
• Perfect! now increase the meat amount by 4x fold
• Lets put that in a blender...

Serves up! Spaghetti à la SE / (meanwhile Community) " See why complain? look at the bland consistent Carbs in each bite yum! "

=__=;; I think of Bland Spaghetti put through a Blender when I play my Samurai... how did I get here...

[Ryaz]

I don't know what you are on, but you contradict yourself in a single sentence.
"I like the sticker system into the big Iaijutsu. That core is still there, even with Kaiten gone."
No, the big hits are gone, goners, disapeared. A White mage can hit harder, a Ninja can hit 3 TIMES more in a single hit. Stop lying to yourself.

It ain't always about the numbers. The only number that really means anything to me is my final DPS, which shows how well I did overall. But it still has the gameplay loop of build up your stickers and finishing it off with two big Midare (which are still bigger than any of our other abilities). The gameplay loop hasn't changed that much, which is what I enjoy.

[Deithwen]

It ain't always about the numbers. The only number that really means anything to me is my final DPS, which shows how well I did overall. But it still has the gameplay loop of build up your stickers and finishing it off with two big Midare (which are still bigger than any of our other abilities). The gameplay loop hasn't changed that much, which is what I enjoy.

There are no "big midare" anymore. And you contradict yourself again.
In a single sentence you say you like the final DPS, but then go on about the "big hits".

If your big hit is not even half of a Whm or a Ninja's, how is it a bit hit ? How do you actively build anything to get it ? It's weak, it's not a "finisher" anymore.

[BlackHole]

I must say I used to enjoy SAM before No-Kaiten era.

I personally feel empty without this skill, all my rotations were around it and now I feel masterless, I feel like a Ronin, which is what my macro for Job Switch to SAM is now called, a Ronin.
to me Kaiten was an integral part of my damage dealing and the personality of the SAMURAI job, focusing to deal more damage. That was the deal.
Have to also say the animation of Kaiten is indeed Iconic. I felt like I was preparing myself to deal a massive blow to my enemy. Now that I got my Ronin to level 90, I feel like playing this JOB is unenjoyable, unfun, Masterless.
I was never maining Samurai but playing it was always fun for me, making sure to get the right materia for my gear to deal BIG NUMBERS, and it felt right in place.
I never imagined how much I missed that one skill during the 10 levels of my Ronin. Now it almost feels like the era of Shogunate when they were replacing Samurai Blades with Muskets, and removing Samurai from the street.
To me it feels like we are being pushed away from mainstream to make room for something else, that something being a Reaper, the new main DPS, being able to compete with Ninja in LB3.

As much as I enjoy Reaper, it is unfair to damage one Job to make room for another. Monk has been damaged for a long time and feels like the developers don't really know where to go with this, so for me even gearing up is of no consequence, I don't need Striker gear because I will do with Monk the same as with Ronin, Monk never felt the same since Heavensward. Now I am neglecting 2 Jobs of the same category, no big loss there, but it's a shame to lose 2 potentially powerful DPS Jobs because of decisions made by misunderstanding what's good for them.

I don't really care if someone reads this farewell to this job, or not. We know our feedback is of no consequence, the only feedback that matters is from JPN playerside and they seem to be content with this change.
I had some really good Glamours for this too, replacing them for other stuff will hit the coffin nails hard and toss it into a ditch, where all Ronins end up.

Forget Samurai Job, welcome a Masterless Ronin, one no one wants to employ.

[Eriyami]

Somehow this reminds me of a metaphor someone made about us loving Spaghetti, it's amazing, we fell in love with it, it's authentic...

Meanwhile SE as the chef...

• Lets remove the Basil and half the Sauce
• Lets remove the sides the Panzanella Salad and the Garlic Bread
• Lets remove the Parmesan Cheese and also not use Olive oil btw
• Perfect! now increase the meat amount by 4x fold
• Lets put that in a blender...

Serves up! Spaghetti à la SE / (meanwhile Community) " See why complain? look at the bland consistent Carbs in each bite yum! "

=__=;; I think of Bland Spaghetti put through a Blender when I play my Samurai... how did I get here...

Like when you go to a restaurant and order a burger but ask to hold everything except the bun.

Honestly was trying the sam changes after 6.2 but now i'm moving on to RPR or DRG, can't play SAM anymore it's just bland.

[george357]

crybabies need to stop about Sam and move on to another job till it is fixed their are 17 to choose from.

[CelestiCer]

Like when you go to a restaurant and order a burger but ask to hold everything except the bun.

Honestly was trying the sam changes after 6.2 but now i'm moving on to RPR or DRG, can't play SAM anymore it's just bland.

I eventually need to level my MNK its been put on the side for quite some time, but can't prog new Savage with Lv1 anything. My fault for having passion for a Job I came to like :/