Samurai is dead to me, thanks square (Kaiten 6.2)

[GeckoMain]

Losing kaiten has made me leave the job as well. I understand people don't think its a huge change but to many people it went hand in hand with iaijutsu to make the job seem super fun to play as. Not only did it feel really satisfying to use just from an animation stand point - only the collest looking ability we had - but it also added a feeling of weight to your next attack. It was a huge part of the job identity. You had to manage your kenki to have enough for Kairen before you do your midare. But you also wanted to pool up and burn all your kenki and this made finding the right balance immensely satisfying. It felt like ShB samurai was honestly close to perfect and removing kaiten to me has left the job feeling really basic and not as fun to play wish they would bring it back

[george357]

if this were feedback yes butt sence its a bunch of winers who can't let go no

[Ruminous]

I'm glad we witnessed this beautifully crafted post above. Such a degree of elegance, and well thought out arguments and opinions.

...Or it's just the usual run-of-the-mill trolls.

[CelestiCer]

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Very well phrased and it hits home.


Often I get asked rather I like 6.2 changes due to the Crit/D.Hit changes and no I don't like it. Players think we hit harder, yes we do with Raidbuffs and higher iLvl yes. If you don't count them in, we're basically back to 6.1 Samurai. I liked having agency over my Damage Numbers " in the moment " and how I achieved it being thoughtful, meaningful with Kaiten providing weight to every hit. Now? it's a " Fk-all-intent-Shinten-Simulator ", weightless, be it my overall performance seems to go up? I didn't care. Because it's gameplay that's lost. Potency adjustments can always be made, gameplay lost is just lost.

Players looking from the outside in will not understand what made Samurai so satisfying to play for many of us. Like a vintage car with a unique riding experience thrown into the bin for a soulless Auto-Pilot driving Tesla. Still great, just not what we fell in love with nor asked for. It was working perfectly, and there was no reason to remove. I say that because they have no good reasons, no good excuse, no good explanation, and they been dodging the bullet on it.

[Deithwen]

I've been maining SAM since day one SB. I sure as hell do care about it. I was there when they removed Hagakure as our big sticker reset that also provided the most potency per sticker, which allowed us to have a very flexible rotation. I was there when they removed Seigan, which I always got a bit of a thrill out of nailing after Third Eye. I stuck with Samurai then, even though I found the more rigid rotation less fun. Why? Because I like the rest of the job overall. I like the aesthetics. I like the sticker system into the big Iaijutsu. That core is still there, even with Kaiten gone. Did I like Kaiten? Yes, it was a cool little wind up into the big hit. Do I think Samurai could stand a bit of a rework to put on par gameplay-wise with newer jobs like Reaper? Yes, especially some more reasons to use Kenki outside of Shinten. But losing Kaiten wasn't enough to make me hate everything else about the job that I love. It's annoying, but for me, it's not the end of the world. I survived the Hagakure change. I can survive this.

I can even understand people's frustrations with it. I just don't take kindly to people acting like the job is dead, that no one plays it and everyone hates it. It's fine to be frustrated, but this kind of hyperbole can drive away new players who may enjoy the class if given a chance and basically tells anyone who doesn't like it that they're stupid for doing so or that they're just slaves to the devs. It's a disingenous take.

I don't know what you are on, but you contradict yourself in a single sentence.
"I like the sticker system into the big Iaijutsu. That core is still there, even with Kaiten gone."
No, the big hits are gone, goners, disapeared. A White mage can hit harder, a Ninja can hit 3 TIMES more in a single hit. Stop lying to yourself.

[Flashy]

I can even understand people's frustrations with it. I just don't take kindly to people acting like the job is dead, that no one plays it and everyone hates it. It's fine to be frustrated, but this kind of hyperbole can drive away new players who may enjoy the class if given a chance and basically tells anyone who doesn't like it that they're stupid for doing so or that they're just slaves to the devs. It's a disingenous take.

Gotcha, it just came off a certain way, so my bad.

But I agree with you, I'd hope that the DPS role subforum doesn't discourage future-SAM players because none of this feedback matters to those that haven't played the job before. Sure there is some hyperbole but there is some good discussion on why we're not happy with things that could help clarify on what the job being dead means in case it is taken the wrong way (hopefully)

I'd hate for somebody to look at the forum and not want to play the job because that's not what we're trying to do. I try to reassure people that make posts on the subreddit or wherever that they won't notice anything wrong and can play the job just fine in its current state

[ninjasoldier014]

if you mad about this job pick another one till they fix this one and stop crying about it and move on.

You never read my post did you lmao

[Ransu]

if you mad about this job pick another one till they fix this one and stop crying about it and move on.

I did pick up another job, but I'm not going to stop talking about my discontent towards the changes of my favorite job. So no, I will not move on, but you are free to do so if you do not wish to read these threads.

[Arycelle_Dania]

So yeah, I don't want to repeat myself but I just want to clarify to the dev team, Samurai is dead to me. I refuse to play the job, and I can accept this because I decided to main healer for this expansion and beyond. I wanted to have samurai as my main DPS job, but it seems I'll just have to roll with reaper for the time being. (Since the job is so new, it'll take them 2 expansions to ruin it)

Hugs ninjasoldier014. I had hope as well but I've given up and I've been a DNC from P4S to current 6.2. It's been many many months I genuinely think they don't care.

[CienFleur]

Why is every single word in this post capitalized?

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