Tales from the Dawn

[RyuDragnier]

There wasn't even a clash Elidibus had detached by that point so Zodiark was inert. The sundering has nothing to do with Zodiark anymore Venats target was the ancients.

The problem is that runs counter with the crossover story from Nier: Reincarnation.


Meaning there was a long drawn out fight between the two, before Hydaelyn became the victor.

[jameseoakes]

The problem is that runs counter with the crossover story from Nier: Reincarnation.


Meaning there was a long drawn out fight between the two, before Hydaelyn became the victor.

Which doesn't at all match what we are show in Endwalker which is another retcon they made for endwalker. Zodiark was inert with out it's heart so inactive like we see on the moon

[RyuDragnier]

Which doesn't at all match what we are show in Endwalker which is another retcon they made for endwalker. Zodiark was inert with out it's heart so inactive like we see on the moon

That brings to mind a question. Since Elidibus was the heart, and we've seen numerous creatures and monsters control things not connected to themselves over the course of the game, could Elidibus control Zodiark from afar, since they were still technically linked? That would be the key info we need here whether to debunk the story or not, considering Ishikawa herself wrote that story for Nier: Reincarnation.

[WellGramarye]

That brings to mind a question. Since Elidibus was the heart, and we've seen numerous creatures and monsters control things not connected to themselves over the course of the game, could Elidibus control Zodiark from afar, since they were still technically linked? That would be the key info we need here whether to debunk the story or not, considering Ishikawa herself wrote that story for Nier: Reincarnation.

Zodiark was only inert in the moon because it was bound in the runes that Hydaelyn had set up. Once that binding is broken, it immediately attacks up, and Fandaniel exerts control over/merges with it becoming its heart to try to complete his goal of utter nihilistic annhilation. Without Elidibus to control it, Zodiark was a ravenous raging beast.

[RyuDragnier]

Graha's time travel IS normal time travel, as Elidibus ghost warns us, if we go back in time and change anything, then the present we come back to will not be the same one we left from, and that we should be careful about that. He thinks this won't be a problem because we will be so Aetherically thin that we won't be able to have an affect on the past, but once we are there Emet-Selch and Hythlodeus change us into a form that CAN have an affect on the past, thus now causing a paradox.

Incorrect, Elidibus's exact words are:

"Yet even should you be able to interact with others, you will be unable to effect meaningful change. For the reality you wish to save--the reality to which you must return--exists as a result of the Final Days. You cannot reshape the past to undo the tragedies of the present. Cannot unmake the sorrow and suffering fated to come."

Meaning it was written in stone, there was nothing we could do to change what was going to happen. Any interactions we were going to have were supposed to happen.

Graha only ended up on the First because at the time of his jump into the past, the First and the Source had already been merged together due to the U8C. Graha's jump to the past is 300 years into the future after Stormblood. When he went back in time, he went to a pre-merged world and it landed him 100 years in the past (from Stormblood) on the First.

The problem is the world he was going onto was at time/space coordinates different from the Source. The Source itself is mentioned as being the original, meaning the equivalent of (0,0) on an X/Y grid. All the shards are shifted to different locations around the Source, making their coordinates on that X/Y grid different from the coordinates of the Source. Jumping to any of them requires jumping on that grid, and completely altering your location. Considering that the Crystal Tower also does not exist on the place it's going to originally, Crystal Tower and the Exarch are unnatural additions to the First's timeline, which required shifting the location through both space and time.

[WellGramarye]

Incorrect, Elidibus's exact words are:

Meaning it was written in stone, there was nothing we could do to change what was going to happen. Any interactions we were going to have were supposed to happen.


The problem is the world he was going onto was at time/space coordinates different from the Source. The Source itself is mentioned as being the original, meaning the equivalent of (0,0) on an X/Y grid. All the shards are shifted to different locations around the Source, making their coordinates on that X/Y grid different from the coordinates of the Source. Jumping to any of them requires jumping on that grid, and completely altering your location. Considering that the Crystal Tower also does not exist on the place it's going to originally, Crystal Tower and the Exarch are unnatural additions to the First's timeline, which required shifting the location through both space and time.

First point, this doesn't contradict what I said, nor does it make what I said wrong. He was saying we could not stop the calamity, that it was always fated to happen, but we still changed things by going back in time.

Secondly, the other shards dont revolve around the source like planets around the sun. They occupy the same space, but not the same time and aetherical balance. They are all shifted slightly from Light to Dark and Astral to Umbral. X/Y wise they are in the same spot. You can't take our space ship and fly to the First from the Source. Its why we go through the sparkly magic travel thing every time we shard hop and then fall into a shard of crystal.