New Unreal is a an all around miserable experience.

[Issaella]

This is very subjective. You might have felt it was midcore, others might have felt it was too hard, whereas others might have felt it was extremely easy. From my perspective, any EX done on tier could be considered midcore, but others might have a different opinion.

And that fine, but at least it was something in between Normals/Expert and Sav/Ex. Now there is nothing just like all the patches since they nerfed/trivialized DR/Dal. From what others have been telling me (I haven't done it) that Ex4 is about as middle-of-the-road in terms of difficulty as it gets and much easier than Seph Unreal (which makes no sense to me when it doesn't reward character power progression and Ex4 does). I just don't like any of the gear skins out of it.

[vetch]

This is precisely that point I'm making, so I don't know what your argument is. The is no, what others have called here "mid-core" challenging content like there is in other MMOs. The Normals/Expert is faceroll and boring AF within a couple weeks, conversely everything above that requires so much energy/concentration/tolerance for frustration that it takes a massive effort just to engage with, not to mention the time commitment.

And you are trying to solve that problem by arguing that content be taken away from people who also have very little allotted to them, which is why your opinion is being disrespected constantly. There's nothing inherently wrong with your position of wanting mid-core gameplay; your conduct is just atrocious. If you had argued that perhaps there could be one fewer piece of hyper-casual content per patch cycle to allow mid-core players some development time you'd probably have 13 pages of people agreeing with you. Instead you're eyeing the few table scraps hardcore players have left and acting shocked when they get defensive.

I'm not demanding anything. I don't want it nerfed into the ground. I just want to be able to do it in a reasonable time-frame without playing PF failure roulette every week like I could UW pre-6.2. They can obv tune the numbers to make it more forgiving, the Sav people will forget about it just like the Ex as soon as it releases next week anyway.

Case in point. Intermediate skill players cannot do Hard-difficulty content in a time frame you call "reasonable" without it being eased up so far that it's no longer fun for Hard-level players, which may as well be 'nerfed into the ground'. You are asking for the hardest Unreal to be eased to the level of one of the easiest, which would effectively take Unreals away from players with more skill than you, and your newest argument for why that should be done is... an unsupported prediction that the first-wave Savage raiders will lose interest by next week (ignoring all the Savage-level players who don't have statics or didn't have time to play this week or have more attention span than a gnat). Atrocious behavior.

[Seera1024]

And that fine, but at least it was something in between Normals/Expert and Sav/Ex. Now there is nothing just like all the patches since they nerfed/trivialized DR/Dal. From what others have been telling me (I haven't done it) that Ex4 is about as middle-of-the-road in terms of difficulty as it gets and much easier than Seph Unreal (which makes no sense to me when it doesn't reward character power progression and Ex4 does). I just don't like any of the gear skins out of it.

So why are you trying to argue for something to be nerfed when it goes against the purpose of that something? Especially when that something's difficulty is something that is a difficulty level that is in the minority of the game?

You're effort would be better spent getting SE to actually release more content at the difficulty level that you want. Then more people are happy.

[Issaella]

Why was is fine for UW Unreal to be midcore last patch so I at least had something to do that didn't fry my brain every week? And all the hardcore players weren't screaming for buffs while they did their Sav/Ult? But when I ask for the current Unreal to at least return to the same ballpark difficulty I'm trying to take something away from them when I now have nothing challenging to do that doesn't leave me feeling frustrated/angry every week. Whereas last patch I could at least enjoy my weekly Unreal clears and acquire some mounts/minions/cosmetics at a relatively slow pace.

[Saraide]

Why was is fine for UW Unreal to be midcore last patch so I at least had something to do that didn't fry my brain every week? And all the hardcore players weren't screaming for buffs while they did their Sav/Ult? But when I ask for the current Unreal to at least return to the same ballpark difficulty I'm trying to take something away from them when I now have nothing challenging to do that doesn't leave me feeling frustrated/angry every week. Whereas last patch I could at least enjoy my weekly Unreal clears and acquire some mounts/minions/cosmetics at a relatively slow pace.

Again, unreal's purpose is not to be midcore. Unreal's purpose is to recreate the level of difficult that specific extreme fight had on release. Not every extreme fight over the years had the same level of difficulty.

[Tlamila]

None of those are challenging activities. Those are casual activities meant to be done by anyone, but then you know that because you are just setting up a straw-man that you can pick apart. Normal Raids and Expert dungeons are not challenging to me in the slightest, I 1-shot them day 1, I'm bored with them after a couple weeks.

Sorry but you're not setting up a good comparison, cause tbh Ultima Unreal was way easier than the current normal raids even. Never seen any prog for it, first pull you cleared with 0 prior knowledge, and only wipes ever were from people derping really hard, cause even with half of the people dead half of the time you'd still clear.
Normals raids see way more wipes tbh, they might not have enrage but people wipe to them all the time, and have way more mechanics than Ultima Unreal did.
So while I understand the want for midcore content (besides, aren't ex midcore? cause if those are hardcore than what are savage and ultimate? crazycore?), asking for ultima unreal level of content is not that, it's asking for more normal content.

Also, ever heard of deep dungeons? Or are those either too hard or too easy for you? Hell, even going to bozja and doing CE is more challenging than UU.

[vetch]

Why was is fine for UW Unreal to be midcore last patch so I at least had something to do that didn't fry my brain every week? And all the hardcore players weren't screaming for buffs while they did their Sav/Ult? But when I ask for the current Unreal to at least return to the same ballpark difficulty I'm trying to take something away from them when I now have nothing challenging to do that doesn't leave me feeling frustrated/angry every week. Whereas last patch I could at least enjoy my weekly Unreal clears and acquire some mounts/minions/cosmetics at a relatively slow pace.

Because, as you said yourself, they perceive you as wanting to take it away. Is it that hard to understand that, once given a toy, people don't want it taken away while they're playing with it?

[Seera1024]

Why was is fine for UW Unreal to be midcore last patch so I at least had something to do that didn't fry my brain every week? And all the hardcore players weren't screaming for buffs while they did their Sav/Ult? But when I ask for the current Unreal to at least return to the same ballpark difficulty I'm trying to take something away from them when I now have nothing challenging to do that doesn't leave me feeling frustrated/angry every week. Whereas last patch I could at least enjoy my weekly Unreal clears and acquire some mounts/minions/cosmetics at a relatively slow pace.

Because those who want that difficulty level of content realize that that's not Unreal's purpose.

[Reinha]

From what others have been telling me (I haven't done it) that Ex4 is about as middle-of-the-road in terms of difficulty as it gets and much easier than Seph Unreal (which makes no sense to me when it doesn't reward character power progression and Ex4 does). I just don't like any of the gear skins out of it.

So you haven't even done the easy extreme content that you are asking for but want other content to be nerfed so you can have more?

[Supersnow845]

Can we just let this thread die, it’s obvious the OP is not interested in any of the literal hundreds of arguments we have provided as to why there is nothing wrong with unreal they just have the wrong idea of what unreal is

1) we all want more midcore content (even though it always ends up getting nerfed)
2) unreal is not midcore content
3) just because ultima was easy doesn’t mean all unreals should be or will be
4) MINE or EX4 are options but OP doesn’t want to do stuff that gives them things they don’t like

That could condense the thread down to its constituent parts, can we just leave it there