Removed from Ex4 by Japanese group. Racist.

[SassyAssassin]

That's not racist, they're just very isolated. Let's not act like English speaking folks haven't been the least bit toxic or racist.

Idk where you pulled that excuse out from.
Caling someone a stupid foreigner is racist.

[Silverbane]

Caling someone a stupid foreigner is racist.

Even if it is true? How can the truth be racist?

[kpxmanifesto]

The statement I was responding to used the term "stupid foreigner," and neither of those words is a racial slur.

HAHAHA, yo someone get this guy a gold medal for his mental gymnastics, please. This guy won it by a mile.

[Padudu]

I swear to the gods you don't read what you're responding to.

Calling someone by a racial slur is racist. The underlying truth that the person is of that race is not.
The statement I was responding to used the term "stupid foreigner,"
and neither of those words is a racial slur.


Something other than what SassyAssassin claimed it means.
It does not mean you hate someone. or fear them.
It does mean you treat them differently because of what race they are.
E.g.: Hiring based on racial quotas is racist.

So what's the difference between a slur and calling someone a stupid foreigner? They both have negative connotations based on ethnicity; calling a Hispanic a "stupid foreigner" while they're in, say, the American Midwest is pretty much an indicator of what they think about said race. Saying "stupid Chinese/African/Japanese/Spaniard/whatever" would be just as bad lol. Saying a slur is just rawdogging it at that point.

Uhh, hatred of a race is deeply rooted in racism. You can go check out how the black basketball team in China are treated. Asian Americans/African Americans have had really had racism incidents towards each other for years. Hate is what leads to different treatment, btw. It's not like hatred and racism are mutually exclusive concepts.
"I hate Indians because their food stinks" is quite literally a racist belief. Or you can go into the deep end of post-9/11 America: "I hate all Indians because they're are all terrorists." ect..

[Silverbane]

So what's the difference between a slur and calling someone a stupid foreigner? They both have negative connotations based on ethnicity

No they don't.

Go watch "Crazy Rich Asians" twice: once to enjoy it, it's a stellar rom-com, and the second time to study how the main character (MC), who is 100% ethnic Chinese and born in China, is discriminated against by her fiancee's mother -- who is also 100% ethnic Chinese -- because she is a foreigner.

It's not MC's ethnicity that is the problem, it's that MC was raised in America, and the potential mother-in-law thinks that means MC has some stereotypical values that make MC a bad choice of spouse for her son.

Ethnicity may be highly correlated with place-of-origin, but it isn't determined by it.

[Padudu]

No they don't.

Go watch "Crazy Rich Asians" twice: once to enjoy it, it's a stellar rom-com, and the second time to study how the main character (MC), who is 100% ethnic Chinese and born in China, is discriminated against by her fiancee's mother -- who is also 100% ethnic Chinese -- because she is a foreigner.

It's not NC's ethnicity that is the problem, it's that MC was raised in America, and the potential mother-in-law thinks that means MC has some stereotypical values that make MC a bad choice of spouse for her son.

Ethnicity may be highly correlated with place-of-origin, but it isn't determined by it.

Bruh. I was raised (mostly) in America, raised by two immigrant parents. I quite literally do not have any Caucasian in me outside the bedroom. I'm Haitian and my dad and I both have the accent. I don't really need a sitcom to conceptualize racism for me, I have experienced it plenty myself lol. I am biracial with Salvadoran descent. I have at least experienced racism from all sides of the coin at some point in my life. :^)


Where do you think the discrimination comes from? Why do people believe the negative things they do about a ethnicity/race? If they had a neutral standpoint, would they call someone a stupid foreigner? If I continuously call people outside my race stupid foreigners, am I not exhibiting behaviors akin to strongly disliking, or as we say, hating something?

Calling someone a "stupid foreigner" absolutely has negative connotations towards someone's ethnicity/race lol. Again, saying something like "stupid German" or "stupid Frenchie" carries the same tone. You don't have to specifically name the race/ethnicity, you know. Most southern racists don't outright say they hate black people.

As for your example: I realize I typed in ethnicity instead of race, but oh well. But yes, that is a real type of discrimination that happens. In this case, the fiancee's mom is discriminating simply based on the perceived American culture. Now, we can probably debate on whether or not it's discriminatory/racist/whatever until we turn blue in the face, but here is my view: There are different types of discrimination, even amongst the same groups of race. Of course Chinese v. Chinese American discrimination will be different. You'll be hardpressed to find a Chinese person being outwardly self-hating towards their race. However you can absolutely find discrimination based on a view of "Chinese-Americans are just Americans". It's not based on race hate, no, but definitely a strong dislike for American/European centric values. It's a bit different, IMO, compared to calling a stranger a "stupid foreigner".

For my example, I'll use an IRL one. My family and I lived in a white-centric town for years. My mother does not speak English well. Caucasians have called her a "stupid foreigner", "stupid immigrant", ect because they hear her struggling to speak English and just have associated that Hispanics = stupid immigrants who just need to go back home. They're not calling her a "stupid immigrant" for nothing lol.

As for me myself, I am biracial but if you saw me you would instantly assume I'm black. I have, at many times, have experienced variations of "I hate black people", "I hate African Americans in particular because they're loud", people who say I "am one of the good ones".. this isn't even going into Haitians/Salvadorans hating the americanized ones lol. There is a lot of complexity to it.

edit: This is a bit after I posted but I had to rethink and remember the outright discrimination I would face as a Haitian compared to other Africans lol. Haitians are literally the butt of the joke for many Africans of other descents. "You are not the right type of black/shade" comes to mind lol.

[Raoabolic]

For my example, I'll use an IRL one. My family and I lived in a white-centric town for years. My mother does not speak English well. Caucasians have called her a "stupid foreigner", "stupid immigrant", ect because they hear her struggling to speak English and just have associated that Hispanics = stupid immigrants who just need to go back home. They're not calling her a "stupid immigrant" for nothing lol.

As for me myself, I am biracial but if you saw me you would instantly assume I'm black. I have, at many times, have experienced variations of "I hate black people", "I hate African Americans in particular because they're loud", people who say I "am one of the good ones".. this isn't even going into Haitians/Salvadorans hating the americanized ones lol. There is a lot of complexity to it.

edit: This is a bit after I posted but I had to rethink and remember the outright discrimination I would face as a Haitian compared to other Africans lol. Haitians are literally the butt of the joke for many Africans of other descents. "You are not the right type of black/shade" comes to mind lol.

Brah, it's america. Depending on who is living in the area you are in, the racism is different. Again, I would give examples but it would make certain people look bad and I would rather not get my forum account yeet'd because I broke a taboo, lol. That said, it is sad seeing a subculture in america get choked out because established norms don't vibe with the new blood. Oh well, at least they can't take away the Tejano food! lol

[Padudu]

Brah, it's america. Depending on who is living in the area you are in, the racism is different. Again, I would give examples but it would make certain people look bad and I would rather not get my forum account yeet'd because I broke a taboo, lol. That said, it is sad seeing a subculture in america get choked out because established norms don't vibe with the new blood. Oh well, at least they can't take away the Tejano food! lol

I am well aware, trust me lol. I went from liberal city racism to bumhell slightly-midwestern-but-not-midwestern racism lol. Also very well aware of uhh.. all races discriminating in one way or another lol. Guess there's no nice way to say that!