Removed from Ex4 by Japanese group. Racist.

[Illmaeran]

I was doing EX4 in 'DUTY FINDER', something that we do on JP servers when the content is pretty new, and everyone just learns the fight.

Dixie,

On Atomos we use Party Finder, not Duty Finder, to learn fights privately before going into the public Duty Finder. Perhaps that was your mistake?

Also, you said you can read Japanese in a later post but you had to translate what you're referring to in this post. It's no wonder they'd be pissed at you; they probably had J as the only language selected, you (like nearly every other EN player on Elemental) likely had J and E selected. You went into a public party, by your own admission aren't literate enough to fully understand everything they're saying in real time, and the party wiped a couple of times. I'm pretty sure you weren't following what they were saying to do so they kicked you. That's a fair thing. If someone not fluent in English joined one of my parties where I had only E selected, we wiped, talked about strategies yet the non-EN player didn't respond or change how they did things and we wiped again, I'd be inclined to kick them too.

I've never encountered this before in my eight and a half years playing on Atomos, but then again, I don't go into anything except Roulettes with J, D, or F selected, only E. It's a matter of politeness and making sure I'm in a group with people who I can communicate with.





On the topic of "xenophobia" and Japanese in this game. Even though they study English from a young age in school there, they really only do reading, writing, and some basic speaking. Their conceptual knowledge of the language coming out of high school is good if they're reading a book at their own pace. 90+% of them aren't fluent enough to be able to read, let alone type, English at Game Speed. For all intents and purposes the great majority of Japanese are illiterate in English given the speed of communication and typing in the game. It only stands to reason that they'd want to play with other JP-fluent people so they can communicate. Selecting J and E on JP DCs helps the EN players get parties, yes, but it also runs the risk of being put into parties that are listed as J only.

It's not xenophobia or racism, it's simply a matter of wanting to be able to communicate with the other players in your party; ESPECIALLY when learning fights, as DixieBell stated she was doing.


To the racism thing. Yes, some individual Japanese, and certain aspects of their culture, are racist. I've lived there and encountered it myself. It just happens to be a very soft and polite thing and not the violent and brazen stuff we see in the West. That being said, I've encountered more racism here in the US than I ever did in Japan, and I'm an educated white guy.

[Raoabolic]

To the racism thing. Yes, some individual Japanese, and certain aspects of their culture, are racist. I've lived there and encountered it myself. It just happens to be a very soft and polite thing and not the violent and brazen stuff we see in the West. That being said, I've encountered more racism here in the US than I ever did in Japan, and I'm an educated white guy.

Guess what, every nation is racist/sexist/somethingist to a group of people. You can either take it in stride or report if you need to karen it up but this feels like... you know, I really can't make an example because someone will get upset over any example I bring up regarding this. Funny how that works, lol! ;^D

[Raoabolic]

honestly, they were probably just mad about wiping. it's sweaty content. i don't really think they would say that to you in person. if they did you could just beef physically lmao

So we respond with violence if we don't like what the other party has to say?
The 12 bless this mess, lol.

[Bukachu]

That's not racist, they're just very isolated. Let's not act like English speaking folks haven't been the least bit toxic or racist.

to translate what this persons' saying:

"that's not racist, that's xenophobic" and "other people can be racist/xenophobic, so it should be accepted for that particular group to do the same"

some of you are something else. LOL

[Raoabolic]

like every japanese anime ever doesn't have this plot? xd

I WISH the west was like every japanese anime ever and not just a 10 second snuff film, lmao.

[BaconBits]

If life was an anime I would be that one lazy dude sleeping all day that nobody wants to scrap with.

[VictorSpoils]

Was it like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-fJCr2ZGdw

[Kazemon15]

People don't realize all Asian societies (Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, ect) can be extremely racist... they are just "nice" about it so you don't realize it until it sinks in, or if you do realize it, can't say anything about it because they were being "nice", and saying something would make it seem like you are the asshole.

How I know: I'm half Vietnamese, half white and have been subjected to this for looking more 'white' than 'Asian'. But because I have "Asian eyes" and a Vietnamese last name, I've been called "ching chong eyes" or some other terms.

So yeah, any and all types of people can be racist to any and all types of other people, including racist to white people, shocking, I know... people just like to defend PoC more for their racist attitudes because "they are so oppressed, we should give them slack" or don't want to seem racist themselves for targeting someone PoC...

[Anienai]

Was it like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-fJCr2ZGdw

FFXI was special when it came to that. Funny how the language barrier was not an issue when LFG as a brd or RDM (75 cap).

[Ransom]

Xenophobia.

They're not the same thing.

Racism is hating someone because they are a member of a particular race or ethnic group.

Xenophobia is hating someone because they are not a member of your own tribe or nationality.

So, yes, they are not the same thing. But... When the end result, for the person targeted, is
exactly the same, it's a difference that makes no difference.