Removed from Ex4 by Japanese group. Racist.

[Larirawiel]

Just being clear, this is NOT attacking the JP playerbase, it's just sad to see that some of them still harbor bad feeling towards international players when some of us have played on the servers since 2013.

The people on EU servers are very nice. Maybe you should transfer to us.


Cheers

[Imora]

if being called a stupid foreigner and told to 'go home' isn't racism then what is it?

Defend it all you want, there are just bad eggs in every society.

Xenophobia.

They're not the same thing.

[Serilda]

I don't know what they said in the original text but what I would normally translate to "stupid foreigner" doesn't sound nearly as insulting in Japanese, and certainly wouldn't be reason for any action to be taken against them.

I have always played on JP servers too and it honestly seems pretty clear why you were kicked. On my datacenter (first Gaia, now Meteor), learning parties happen in PF and always have. It's fine to join DF for a first time clear but you are expected to have put in some work of your own; DF parties are expected to run relatively smoothly rather than being hourlong slogs trying to get one person to understand mechanics. There are always learning parties up in PF at peak times, clearly described so that everyone is on the same page (so long as they read the descriptions).

But the key part is that you didn't know why you were kicked until you "went and translated some of the chat to english" after the event, which means that you weren't reading the party chat during the party itself. That means that you weren't communicating with the party, joining in with their chit-chat, apologizing for errors, listening to what was being said etc, which means that somebody thought there was an issue and checked the party list to see your locale information and then the "foreigner" stuff came up. I have joined parties with people who play like that and - from personal experience - it is never enjoyable. It's not acceptable, on JP servers, to ignore the text chat in real time and act as though the other players are NPCs. It is not acceptable to "learn" something in a group environment by playing solo on their time, without coordinating with the group.

This isn't racist (they don't know your race) and the group would have been just as hostile if you'd been flagged as playing the JP version of the game with a JP search comment; they would just have referred to you with another mildly insulting description instead so that everyone knew who they meant; I've seen stuff like "stupid bard" or "stupid leech". JP players have been burned a lot by people joining without intending to participate in the chat and dragging the whole group down, and for some reason this is disproportionately common with people who flag themselves as EN/DE/FR-speakers. But I play with an EN flag on my profile and a clear explanation that I'm foreign and they have always been perfectly accommodating - because I communicate with them. I have also played in mixed groups with EN-only and JP-only speakers and they've worked because both sides made liberal use of auto-translation and actively tried to communicate in real time. Many JP people will attempt to use a little EN in mixed learning parties so that everyone knows what's going on. They expect their text to be read.

That's literally all that's required to fit in; nobody cares what language your client is in so long as you participate properly.

Anecdote: The other day in the mentor channel, a mentor remarked (in JP) that an EN-speaker player had a PF up that wasn't filling and had been open for a while. "Let's help them out!" she said, and the PF filled within seconds as people flooded in to help. The difference was that they knew what they were getting into and were doing it purely to help rather than to get something of their own done (as in DF). "Japanese only" doesn't (generally) mean that they hate foreigners, it means that they want people they can actually communicate with in the game they play for pleasure, and lack the nuance in being able to politely explain it across the language barrier. Respect is a two-way street and if you initiate by appearing to ignore their communication attempts, don't be surprised when you're treated the same way in response.

Edit: "remove "E" from your matching settings if you do not want to participate in international parties" is a fundamental misunderstanding of how DF works. If you queue with only "E" flagged on a JP datacenter you'll never get into groups, so I'm going to realistically assume you have both "J" and "E" flagged. If somebody with only "J" flagged queues in DF they will be matched with you because you have that "J", even though you don't (functionally) speak Japanese if you don't read the chat in real time. They have no way around this; very few JP players actively flag "E" in their matching settings because it's meant to mean you can communicate in that language and few of them feel confident doing so. If you only intend to participate in English you are the one who needs to change your matching settings - there's nothing that they can do to avoid you, and it wouldn't make sense for them to also avoid bilingual JP players by doing so!

[Angellos]

That's not racist, they're just very isolated. Let's not act like English speaking folks haven't been the least bit toxic or racist.

....They were absolutely being racist. Don't be one of those people who think only American white people are racist, or are capable of racism.

At the very least it was insanely xenophobic if 'stupid foreigner' was ALL that was said: but it doesn't seem like that's all that was said.

There's no excuse to treat people that way.

If this had been an American saying that to a Japanese player they'd be banned the same day.

[Sebazy]

Sure, the attitude may well have been bad but please, language barriers will always be an issue in tougher content, especially when it's new and people need to communicate. If they are trying to arrange positions, place priorities or fix a mistake that's being made causing deaths then what else do you expect them to do?

Back in FFXI I picked up a good amount of romaji and that was usually enough to solve any issues and keep things on track. I don't know if things have moved on from that bar now but that's something worth learning if you haven't already and insist on staying on the JP servers for whatever reason.

[Saraide]

Surely this has to be the easiest report in the books.

[Izar_Chillen]

Screenshots or it didn't happen.

It didn't happen

[Asari5]

i mean you ARE a foreigner for them. and if they think you are stupid... well that makes you a stupid foreigner. its as simple as that. people really should stop branding everxthing as racism

[Sotaris]

Let's also not act like non-English speaking people can't be racist.

Didn't you hear. PoC can't be racist towards white people.

[Saraide]

i mean you ARE a foreigner for them. and if they think you are stupid... well that makes you a stupid foreigner. its as simple as that. people really should stop branding everxthing as racism

So if I were to think (hypthetically, not saying that I do) that you are stupid, would that make you stupid? I love how you also leave out the "go home" part, just as much as I love this thread argueing semanitcs between what is racist and what is xenophobic.
Why are they focusing on OP being a foreigner at all?