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    OP thinks they're doing a service to humanity by labeling what happened to them as 'racist' and looking for sympathy. What they're actually doing is (looking for attention - but I digress) diminishing the impact of actual racist behavior; you know, like genocide, the third reich, racially motivated mass shootings, etc? One belittles those tragedies when one chalks up a dungeon kick to 'racism'. That's actually fairly disgusting.

    Get kicked from a group where the other people are of a differing race? Racism. Are you also that person who gets a sales clerk with a bad attitude and different color skin, and chalk that up to 'racism'? Didn't get hired for that job, and the interviewer was of a differing race, so it's 'racism'? Get pulled over for expired tags, and the cops are doing it only because they're racist?

    OP, I highly suggest you read an old fable by Aesop called 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'. If you understand the moral it will be like the sky opening up for you with sunbeams and the choir singing "Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!". Or, maybe, you won't get it. I suppose there's a fair chance of that, too.

    Friggin' racism because you got kicked from a dungeon group. Cry me a river. I hope you never experience actual racism, fellow human. It might make your head spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakbeat View Post
    OP thinks they're doing a service to humanity by labeling what happened to them as 'racist' and looking for sympathy. What they're actually doing is (looking for attention - but I digress) diminishing the impact of actual racist behavior; you know, like genocide, the third reich, racially motivated mass shootings, etc? One belittles those tragedies when one chalks up a dungeon kick to 'racism'. That's actually fairly disgusting.

    Get kicked from a group where the other people are of a differing race? Racism. Are you also that person who gets a sales clerk with a bad attitude and different color skin, and chalk that up to 'racism'? Didn't get hired for that job, and the interviewer was of a differing race, so it's 'racism'? Get pulled over for expired tags, and the cops are doing it only because they're racist?

    OP, I highly suggest you read an old fable by Aesop called 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'. If you understand the moral it will be like the sky opening up for you with sunbeams and the choir singing "Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!". Or, maybe, you won't get it. I suppose there's a fair chance of that, too.

    Friggin' racism because you got kicked from a dungeon group. Cry me a river. I hope you never experience actual racism, fellow human. It might make your head spin.
    if being called a stupid foreigner and told to 'go home' isn't racism then what is it?

    Defend it all you want, there are just bad eggs in every society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    if being called a stupid foreigner and told to 'go home' isn't racism then what is it?

    Defend it all you want, there are just bad eggs in every society.
    Xenophobia.

    They're not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    Xenophobia.

    They're not the same thing.
    Racism is hating someone because they are a member of a particular race or ethnic group.

    Xenophobia is hating someone because they are not a member of your own tribe or nationality.

    So, yes, they are not the same thing. But... When the end result, for the person targeted, is
    exactly the same, it's a difference that makes no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Racism is hating someone because they are a member of a particular race or ethnic group.
    Xenophobia is hating someone because they are not a member of your own tribe or nationality.
    Well then, at least historically, Japan was never racist or xenophobic.

    From what I've read, the Japanese effort to conquer Asia during WW2 wasn't rooted in a hatred of foreigners, but rather in the idea that the Japanese as a people were superior, and therefor they had a duty to lead the other people of Asia to peace and prosperity.

    Sort of like the "White Man's Burden" philosophy England used to justify expanding the British Empire.

    Feeling you are superior isn't correlated with hatred. If it was, I'd hate almost everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Sort of like the "White Man's Burden" philosophy England used to justify expanding the British Empire.

    Feeling you are superior isn't correlated with hatred. If it was, I'd hate almost everyone.
    On the first thing, that's less a different thing from racism and more an attempted justification for it.

    On the second thing... MAYBE. Ina purely hypothetical sense, MAYBE feeling superior doesn't automatically
    correspond to hate. Human nature being what it is, though, that's ALWAYS where it eventually leads. To use
    your own example about Japan's motivations for the war (which is also inaccurate, the Japanese military used
    the ancient Shinto prophecy as their excuse, but it was really about securing natural resources they didn't
    have in their own land, without having to pay for them, but for our purposes here I'll use your answer) even
    if the Japanese people of that era thought they were helping others, look at how they treated those others:
    The second world war Japanese military was as vicious to captured Chinese and Korean people as the Nazis
    were to Jewish people (and many others) Seeing other people as inferior is a form of hate. And as Yoda said,
    'hate leads to suffering.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Well then, at least historically, Japan was never racist or xenophobic.

    From what I've read, the Japanese effort to conquer Asia during WW2 wasn't rooted in a hatred of foreigners, but rather in the idea that the Japanese as a people were superior, and therefor they had a duty to lead the other people of Asia to peace and prosperity.

    Tell that to the family's of the victims of Unit 731 a bioweapons science team that committed the most horrendous acts of lethal human torture and chemical experimentations ever documented
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen View Post
    Tell that to the family's of the victims of Unit 731 a bioweapons science team that committed the most horrendous acts of lethal human torture and chemical experimentations ever documented
    Tuskegee Syphilis Study, 1932-1972, Centers for Disease Control and Prevent (CDC), U.S.A.
    Are all Americans to blame for that? Did most of them even know about it?
    Did you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    if being called a stupid foreigner and told to 'go home' isn't racism then what is it?

    Defend it all you want, there are just bad eggs in every society.
    Since this upset you quite a bit, you took a screenshot right?

    I have played with Japanese players of FF11 since 2002, and then here in 2010, and Tonberry 2013 to now, and have to say that just seems a bit overboard, how did you translate what was said?

    Need to see both sides of the Story, what was actually said before judgement can be made.

    Post the chat log with names redacted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakbeat View Post
    OP thinks they're doing a service to humanity by labeling what happened to them as 'racist' and looking for sympathy. What they're actually doing is (looking for attention - but I digress) diminishing the impact of actual racist behavior; you know, like genocide, the third reich, racially motivated mass shootings, etc? One belittles those tragedies when one chalks up a dungeon kick to 'racism'. That's actually fairly disgusting.

    Get kicked from a group where the other people are of a differing race? Racism. Are you also that person who gets a sales clerk with a bad attitude and different color skin, and chalk that up to 'racism'? Didn't get hired for that job, and the interviewer was of a differing race, so it's 'racism'? Get pulled over for expired tags, and the cops are doing it only because they're racist?

    OP, I highly suggest you read an old fable by Aesop called 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'. If you understand the moral it will be like the sky opening up for you with sunbeams and the choir singing "Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!". Or, maybe, you won't get it. I suppose there's a fair chance of that, too.

    Friggin' racism because you got kicked from a dungeon group. Cry me a river. I hope you never experience actual racism, fellow human. It might make your head spin.
    Dude. There are levels.
    I was once walking down a road, and someone called me a chink right to my face.
    Was that genocide level racism? No.
    Was it still racism? Yes.
    Your way of thinking is bad, because you seem to think that you need a certain quota to fill to consider something to be racist.
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