The Healer Double Standard

[ASkellington]

Can I just say how much I loathe Piety...

What could they even rework Piety to? I mean for all of Tenacity's flaws... it isn't as dead of a stat, though it's just about as close lmao.

For Piety to be worth a damn all our oGCDs would need to cost mana... and even then AST has both Lucid AND perma refresh with Astrodyne. WHM would have to critically looked at to make sure they aren't forced into extreme levels of piety that plagues AST at the beginning of Shb (iirc). SCH and SGE would also need to make sure their mechanics would make sure that they can aid in mana costs...

I don't see SE putting in all this work as much as I would like it.

[GrimGale]

What could they even rework Piety to? I mean for all of Tenacity's flaws... it isn't as dead of a stat, though it's just about as close lmao.

For Piety to be worth a damn all our oGCDs would need to cost mana... and even then AST has both Lucid AND perma refresh with Astrodyne. WHM would have to critically looked at to make sure they aren't forced into extreme levels of piety that plagues AST at the beginning of Shb (iirc). SCH and SGE would also need to make sure their mechanics would make sure that they can aid in mana costs...

I don't see SE putting in all this work as much as I would like it.

They should make it broken.

Piety now scales MP regeneration but also increases the potency of shields, regens and the power of buffs/debuffs.

[Deceptus]

What could they even rework Piety to? I mean for all of Tenacity's flaws... it isn't as dead of a stat, though it's just about as close lmao.

For Piety to be worth a damn all our oGCDs would need to cost mana... and even then AST has both Lucid AND perma refresh with Astrodyne. WHM would have to critically looked at to make sure they aren't forced into extreme levels of piety that plagues AST at the beginning of Shb (iirc). SCH and SGE would also need to make sure their mechanics would make sure that they can aid in mana costs...

I don't see SE putting in all this work as much as I would like it.

Simple:

Piety - Increases mana regen slightly while increasing all healing done slightly.

There. It's not a sh!t stat anymore. It's equal to Det.

[Supersnow845]

Simple:

Piety - Increases mana regen slightly while increasing all healing done slightly.

There. It's not a sh!t stat anymore. It's equal to Det.

Increasing healing dome is pointless when the alternative is damage

[Deceptus]

Increasing healing dome is pointless when the alternative is damage

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that the ffxiv devs don't think healers should be doing decent damage. That change puts Piety in line with their in game vision, also, det increases damage but that small piety change changes it from worthless, to less worthless.

baby steps.

[Supersnow845]

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that the ffxiv devs don't think healers should be doing decent damage. That change puts Piety in line with their in game vision, also, det increases damage but that small piety change changes it from worthless, to less worthless.

baby steps.

I mean regardless of what square thinks the healers should do if they have the ability to cause damage and piety doesn’t increase damage and the healers can get by with minimal to no GCD use then piety is useless no matter how it’s dressed up

[vetch]

At some point you have to come to grips with the fact that the ffxiv devs don't think healers should be doing decent damage.

Understanding what they think doesn't preclude believing they're wrong to think it. You can keep pointing out that they don't understand how 20% of their combat jobs work until the doctor calls your time of death, if you want to.

[Liam_Harper]

Piety - Increases mana regen slightly while increasing all healing done slightly.

There. It's not a sh!t stat anymore. It's equal to Det.

No it's a sh!t stat unless it increases damage. We don't need more healing, especially "slight" healing. Even if it was ok for prog, it'd become 0 stat again as soon as your group plays well.

Piety and Tenacity should have equal dps contributions to Det. Who cares if the stat priority is Crit>DH>Piety instead of Crit>DH>Det. We're still just chasing the best stats. But at least now we aren't turning down items that are 20ilv upgrades.

I don't care what SE's vision is, a game should be made for the customers, not the devs. It's quite clear by now their vision isn't what the players enjoy. I'm also not really interested in baby steps either when buffing or deleting Piety isn't a resource demanding change like full reworks or changing the combat system. We've put up with it for multiple expansions already, it's about time they stopped messing around.