PvP is simply garbage

[Divinemights]

16 out of 19 jobs in PvP have access to at least one form of CC, you give players one charge of purify on 30sec CD and no diminishing returns on CC, seriously? I've seen better balance and game design from free Source mods, this is just embarrassing to be frank.

Let be honest here, a lot of people that is actively playing PvP are benefited by this.
If you are not new and not actively PvP last expansion, you are basically one of them
This is what actually wiped out the skill gap between verrans and weak players because weak players can just mindless spamming CC
This also caused all veterans end up playing on Ninja

[Oni_Akuma]

Let be honest here, a lot of people that is actively playing PvP are benefited by this.
If you are not new and not actively PvP last expansion, you are basically one of them
This is what actually wiped out the skill gap between verrans and weak players because weak players can just mindless spamming CC
This also caused all veterans end up playing on Ninja

Well said. These people lack true skill. Most likely they can't even do PvE openers and weaving and decide to like simple button mashing tactics. Ninja is cheap and yes many use it for its simplicity of running around, using range attacks, crowd control to easy Limit Break kill because its an easy play to win grind.

[MonteCristo]

I'm pretty convinced that whoever at SE is making balancing decisions for PVP either has no clue what they're doing, or simply isn't actually putting in anything close the time and effort that would be necessary to make sure things are properly balanced. It takes them ages to acknowledge let alone fix bugs, and anytime they do make balance changes it's always massive knee jerk changes that have sweeping effects.

Frontlines is an absolute mess. Summoner spam used to be an issue, where as now they're practically useless with the damage/mitigation changes. Which of course now melee is way too tanky because of the mitigation changes, with the only way to reasonable kill anyone is to gank them and spam CC on them. Which the spam CC is another issue in of itself with how irritating it can be to get chain CCd with no way out of it, and there being absolutely no diminishing returns on CC. Paladin guardian cheese on capture points is still an issue that was finally acknowledged as a bug, but still nothing has actually been done about it months into the pvp revamp.

And of course there's the underlying fundamental issue with the game itself having a horribly slow tick rate that cause all sorts of responsiveness issues where you can use an ability only for it to not register anywhere near quickly enough to have the effect it would if the game was more responsive.

FF PVP is a mess.

I just got flamed to hell for this same outlook lol.

Famitsu w/ yoshi - On CC, the devs plan to improve the Season ranking rewards since there was feedback that these have been underwhelming. There are also plans for an official tournament. The devs are currently fairly pleased with the job balance based on Season 2 data.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

[1]non stop bind/stuns
[2]overpowered lbs thrown out every few seconds
[3]A intern could have done a better job. how they allowed this mess to be released before even beta testing it with players is beyond me.
[4]It was a terrible idea not to keep the skills separate.

1.) You essentially are asking for Fetter Ward to come back, on top of probably an effect for large-scale PvP that diminishes excessive CC. Both things I'd advocate for myself.

2.) Said it before, saying it now - LB generation should not be passive over time but based on performance, in every game mode. You gain LB just running from objective to objective, with LB recharge times ranging from 60s to 120s. The more potent ones in large-scale PvP happen to be 90s (NIN SMN), more utility based ones are 120s (PLD, SGE).

3.) Superfluous slander of work ethics aside, they DID do internal testing, but the real test is always going to be letting it out into the actual playable build. You are asking for a bit much to expect a perfect game without this.

4.) Disagree, for intuitivity and degrees of skills transitioning between the modes it is highly recommended to keep the kits the same, otherwise you are essentially creating two entirely different games. What needs happening is microtuning and additional adjustments of certain interactions (Onsal Hakair PLD for example) and the above mentioned things.

[JamieRose]

Well said. These people lack true skill. Most likely they can't even do PvE openers and weaving and decide to like simple button mashing tactics. Ninja is cheap and yes many use it for its simplicity of running around, using range attacks, crowd control to easy Limit Break kill because its an easy play to win grind.

I don't really believe anyone has true skill at a game mode that's only been out for three months.

[Dreadz]

I am vindicated.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I am vindicated.

Hi vindicated, I am Reinhardt.

[Oni_Akuma]

I don't really believe anyone has true skill at a game mode that's only been out for three months.

I could say the same to pve players who play safe or not theorize their rotation and wait for someone else to Video upload or post an update on their rotation till most the community adopts it. Since most of you aren't honers or innovators that are always thinking for even the smallest gap to improve on.
Just saying facts. Most of you come either from an MMO, RPG or none of the previously mentioned games types, and then come into an MMO to complain it's too hard make things easier rant.

There is skill involved, it's just you're oblivious to it and the tech. This mode removed a lot of stuff, but some old school tech still exists.

[Dreadz]

I could say the same to pve players who play safe or not theorize their rotation and wait for someone else to Video upload or post an update on their rotation till most the community adopts it. Since most of you aren't honers or innovators that are always thinking for even the smallest gap to improve on.
Just saying facts. Most of you come either from an MMO, RPG or none of the previously mentioned games types, and then come into an MMO to complain it's too hard make things easier rant.

There is skill involved, it's just you're oblivious to it and the tech. This mode removed a lot of stuff, but some old school tech still exists.

Except you cannot ignore the fact that no matter how skillful a player may be, they will always lose to the game's subpar online environment. Pressing a button and having the chance for nothing to happen dilutes the entire discussion around "skill". Nothing stings more than making a good read, only for the server to defecate in your mouth

[Ransu]

I am vindicated.

Vindicated how exactly?