Reaper needs additional buffs.

[remiff]

Even with the buff it got it's still going to be worse than the other melees by quite a significant margin.
Pls make the job not bad <3.

I think the reaper is in a decent slot, it's definitely the ninja and drg who should drop back down to reaper level, simply because they're just way too strong for the raid utility they have,
besides, I don't quite understand why they haven't been slightly scaled down.

[Engaru]

I think the reaper is in a decent slot, it's definitely the ninja and drg who should drop back down to reaper level, simply because they're just way too strong for the raid utility they have,
besides, I don't quite understand why they haven't been slightly scaled down.

By now I'm convinced that the balance team is either drunk constantly or it only consists of one chimpanzee that throws darts at random post-it notes and wherever the dart lands on, that's what they'll do.

[Godzillaxpowerrangers]

By now I'm convinced that the balance team is either drunk constantly or it only consists of one chimpanzee that throws darts at random post-it notes and wherever the dart lands on, that's what they'll do.

Maybe they are always drunk and need intern chip to do the picking stuff by darts.

[ZiraZ]

I think the reaper is in a decent slot, it's definitely the ninja and drg who should drop back down to reaper level, simply because they're just way too strong for the raid utility they have,
besides, I don't quite understand why they haven't been slightly scaled down.

Raid buffs are not utility, DRG doesn't even have a defensive and has no utility, NiN has no utility, meanwhile RPR has a very strong raid utility and defensive ability with a very short cooldown that can out heal some tanks.
I'd say that's pretty balanced if they are 1-2% behind in dps at the cost of having crest.

[wereotter]

Raid buffs are not utility, DRG doesn't even have a defensive and has no utility, NiN has no utility, meanwhile RPR has a very strong raid utility and defensive ability with a very short cooldown that can out heal some tanks.
I'd say that's pretty balanced if they are 1-2% behind in dps at the cost of having crest.

Raid buffs are exactly how they balance damage. If they had ninja get maximum possible damage, think black mage level, because it has no utility by your definition, no one would bring samurai into a party because ninja would do the same damage while also bringing mug. No one would bring monk to anything because monk would have to do less damage than ninja because it has mudra, and brotherhood isn't more potent than mug.

Dragoon has effects that increase the damage other party members do, and has more of them than other jobs with both battle litany and dragon sight, other melees just have one party-wide damage increasing skill while dragoon can increase the party's damage as well as a selected party member. Additionally while dragoon might not have a shield, its the only melee with passive healing as part of its regular rotation, so it is probably fine as far as they see the balance of this job and the others.

[Lyth]

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When people do comparisons on average job dps, they're generally looking at rDPS which intrinsically takes raid damage buffs into account. So when a job does less rDPS than the others, you can't really make the argument that it's balanced on the basis of raid damage buffs. The real reason why this is done is a function of job popularity. The role as a whole has a fairly close balance, but discrepancies encourages players to jump into other jobs. This will get rebalanced eventually as RPR falls out of favor.

My worry at the moment is how any potency gains will get redistributed. I don't think that raising the average GCD value was a good idea at all, when the job is so focused around resource/burst management. It also raises a question over the role of actions like Harvest Moon, especially in situations when you're allowed to maintain full uptime.

[wereotter]

When people do comparisons on average job dps, they're generally looking at rDPS which intrinsically takes raid damage buffs into account. So when a job does less rDPS than the others, you can't really make the argument that it's balanced on the basis of raid damage buffs. The real reason why this is done is a function of job popularity. The role as a whole has a fairly close balance, but discrepancies encourages players to jump into other jobs. This will get rebalanced eventually as RPR falls out of favor.

My worry at the moment is how any potency gains will get redistributed. I don't think that raising the average GCD value was a good idea at all, when the job is so focused around resource/burst management. It also raises a question over the role of actions like Harvest Moon, especially in situations when you're allowed to maintain full uptime.

We're on the same page here.

The person was trying to say that jobs like ninja don't have party utility because they don't count party buffs as utility. I do think jobs should be more or less balanced around rDPS. Thing is I know they never will be perfectly balanced both due to the literally impossible nature of making that happen, and even if they could manage that on a computer simulation, player skill would break that anyway. So I really only care that they make an effort for them to be close to each other within their role.

[grinkdaboy]

my only beef with reaper is that it is possible to overwrite gluttony/gibbet/gallow/soul reaver stacks.

why?

[MagiusNecros]

my only beef with reaper is that it is possible to overwrite gluttony/gibbet/gallow/soul reaver stacks.

why?

I think the devs want you to commit to those attacks to give the job some artificial difficulty.

I don't do it often but if I lose Reaver stacks because I wombo combo Gluttony and Harvest Moon in the wrong order it feels bad.

[ZiraZ]

Raid buffs are exactly how they balance damage. If they had ninja get maximum possible damage, think black mage level, because it has no utility by your definition, no one would bring samurai into a party because ninja would do the same damage while also bringing mug. No one would bring monk to anything because monk would have to do less damage than ninja because it has mudra, and brotherhood isn't more potent than mug.

Dragoon has effects that increase the damage other party members do, and has more of them than other jobs with both battle litany and dragon sight, other melees just have one party-wide damage increasing skill while dragoon can increase the party's damage as well as a selected party member. Additionally while dragoon might not have a shield, its the only melee with passive healing as part of its regular rotation, so it is probably fine as far as they see the balance of this job and the others.

Raid Buffs are still not utility and that's a big lmao at comparing life surge with the other melees defensives.

Direct healing from a DPS that can’t be targeted (think something like phoenix astral flow which even that is pretty useless since SMN’s rotation is so static) is completely useless because healer kits are all bloated with overpowered heals and damage output by bosses is pathetic (I’ll kinda pass curing waltz as stacked curing waltz can replace an entire healing oGCD but arcane crest isn’t even close)

About the only true utility left that’s not role wide is expedient, mantra, natures minne and magic barrier

Arcane crest is not worth even close to how far behind RPR is in melee damage

It's not only a heal, it's also a personal shield defensive on an extremely low cooldown, it can outheal tanks in overall heal/absorb, that is absolutely not completely useless, it doesn't even overheal that much so it's absolutely doing its work.
If it's so useless why is everyone pressing it?