Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
If you want to find fault with Venat's decision to sunder the world and enervate the Amaurotines, that's fine. But blaming her for being unable to stop the Ascians from slaughtering millions is a really weak argument. It's just another variation on the theme of 'I know that Emet was a mass murderer who destroyed seven worlds full of people, but I'm okay with his actions because...' I think he'd be insulted if you offered him such a cowardly way out. Emet has agency. He chose to walk that path.

With regards to consent, some actions are intrinsically non-consensual. You cannot have a consensual theft or murder, that's just a contradiction of terms. Not only is it a bizarre misuse of the word, it flippantly detracts from actual issues around consent. If you really wanted to have a discussion around issues of consent, you'd be much better off looking at another Convocation member, namely Mitron, and his treatment of Gaia.

Again, all this seems less about adhering to some highfalutin moral code and more about trying to justify the actions of a really awful group of people by pointing fingers at their opponents. Which is really just digging yourself a hole. Why do any of these characters need to be virtuous in the first place? They aren't. You lot certainly aren't. Just enjoy them for what they are, rather than trotting out the same false indignancy.
Nobody on these forums has EVER actually said Emet-Selch and the Ascians Three were morally in the right for performing the Rejoinings, rather in the past people have said that they like these characters regardless. And that's OKAY. It doesn't make one a Nazi or a genocide apologist or whatever morally bankrupt example of a villain in real life secretly plotting the downfall of many marginalized peoples after having been inspired by a video game.

Then, in these post-EW days a hearty number of people have taken issue with the fact that the ONE TIME Venat's equally morally questionable omnicidal act is ever questioned is by her own self and frankly it doesn't even seem as though SHE is truly that broken up about it. The Scions have multiple quotes in Shadowbringers that suggest they should have taken issue with Venat's methods in certain scenes in Endwalker, but they did not. Emet-Selch was never once treated as an ally or a friend due to his actions and tagged himself along, but Venat is touted as an all-loving goddess nonstop despite being not so different in the end. We have every right to take issue with this, even if her methods may well have saved the world it doesn't erase the ambiguous morality of her deeds.