Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[Brinne]

Why, yes, as a matter of fact! A hypothetically consensual Rejoining or Sundering, okay! Non-consensual and violently forced, Not Okay, and correct to oppose in both cases! I’m glad we have also successfully cleared up this nonsequitur too!

[Lyth]

It sounds like you're simply dancing around the issue. The rejoinings were most certainly not consensual, given that they resulted in the destruction of seven worlds and eradication of all life on them, a point that's explicitly stated in the in-game text. It's a bit like saying that you'd be fine with mass murder if it was 'consensual', which is a nonsensical use of the word. So are you against what the Ascians did or not?

[Tama-Kanzashi]

It sounds like you're simply dancing around the issue. The rejoinings were most certainly not consensual, given that they resulted in the destruction of seven worlds and eradication of all life on them, a point that's explicitly stated in the in-game text. It's a bit like saying that you'd be fine with mass murder if it was 'consensual', which is a nonsensical use of the word. So are you against what the Ascians did or not?

It sounds like you are simply dancing around the issue. The Sundering was most certainly not consensual, given that it resulted in the destruction and fragmentation of a civilization and countless lives and the erasure of them from collective memory, a point that is explicitly stated in in-game text. It's a bit like saying that you would be fine with mass murder if it was 'consensual', which is a nonsensical use of the word. So are you against what Venat did or not?

...try on this shoe please. You might be amazed at how well it fits you.

[Lyth]

????

I haven't the slightest problem directly stating my views on the matter, unlike your friend.

There isn't enough information provided around the Sundering to render a proper verdict on it, especially when we don't know what was at stake during their talks. What was the 'new life' that stood to be forcibly sacrificed? What were the long-term consequences of summoning Zodiark? All I can conclude so far is that the Amaurotines as a society had a lot less empathetic approach to decision-making, and I much prefer the world of the present to the world of the past. So when I go with 'none of them were right', it's simply because we presently just don't have enough context on Venat's decision.

I have no problem liking any of the Amaurotians individually as characters, and one of the fun things about fantasy is that you can root for characters who are unapologetically evil. I think that the stories around the Void are going to produce some fantastic villains, and I'm actually much more interested in them because they don't seem to carry any pretenses of greatness, whereas the Amaurotines just come across as overbearing and narcissistic.

But why would you try argue any of this from a standpoint of supposed 'moral superiority'? It's just so tiresome and boring. It forces you desperately redirect any scrutiny of Emet's actions, when they're obviously heinous. You're unnecessarily digging yourself a hole. Just accept that he's wonderfully evil and cherish him for it. Your mistake was in thinking that he needed to be 'morally right' to be valued in the first place.

[tokinokanatae]

"I have no problem directly stating something." Then proceeds to do a mealymouthed dance around, "Sundering? What is it? What did it do? Who can say, really?"

Of course the Rejoinings were bad. Stop pretending like you're the only one on these forums capable of a nuanced appreciation of anything. It's weird and it makes you look stupid.

[Lyth]

Why thank you, and do pass on my good wishes to Brinne. I'm glad that you finally acknowledged that the Rejoinings were bad. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

[tokinokanatae]

I mean, Brinne already answered your question herself? Though if you're thanking me for my prior post, I guess your reading comprehension is a little...

[Tama-Kanzashi]

Why thank you, and do pass on my good wishes to Brinne. I'm glad that you finally acknowledged that the Rejoinings were bad. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

Honey, we all know that the Rejoinings did have bad effects, but we are aware that the Sundering was worse.
Unlike you and your kin who constantly seem to be playing the "Sundering was GOOD AND AMAZING and only the Rejoinings are bad!" trumpet even when it doesn't matter to the topic at hand. And when you get the slightest bit of resistence, you act incredibly smug and like you were right all along, and we were all too dense to notice, before derailing the thread into an endless loop of arguments about how the Rejoinings are the worst thing since Easy Cheese.

Wind your neck back in and stop derailing threads, it makes you look foolish and the only thing you can potentially gain from it is mockery.

[Brinne]

It sounds like you're simply dancing around the issue. The rejoinings were most certainly not consensual, given that they resulted in the destruction of seven worlds and eradication of all life on them, a point that's explicitly stated in the in-game text. It's a bit like saying that you'd be fine with mass murder if it was 'consensual', which is a nonsensical use of the word. So are you against what the Ascians did or not?

I directly answered yes to your original question, like, within my first two words, so this is very funny. Do you want me to repeat myself ad nauseum? Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. Yes! Is this enough dancing, or not?

I emphasized the bit about consent because of the context of my prior post, regarding the unease because of real world applications and history of people forcing non-consensual “treatment” on people judged to think or live or be born in the wrong way, because others took their own limited understanding of the human condition as “self-evident fact.” But hey, if you want to stick to things in-game, we do have an example of a consensual Rejoining: Ardbert.

Looking forward to seeing how this also reflects my being okay with mass murder, a response that definitely wasn’t determined beforehand no matter what I said, though!

[Hurlstone]

I do not really see how anyone could ‘celebrate’ either the Rejoining or the Sundering. I though the text made clear that both are horrific events in the worlds history which devastate countless lives. The Sundering is shown not as a glorious solution, but a horrible necessary evil to combat both the desperation of the Ancients and to forge a way to fight against Meteion (I kinda feel the threat she and Dynamis caused is ignored in these debates...) The other is more plainly shown to be the mass murder of millions due to a tragic group of people who barley even see such lives as existing. Honestly I do not see Endwalker as being the binary tale of ‘good vs evil’ that some say it is, even if one side is not chastised as much as some fans would like her to been.