Live Letter Thoughts

[Alleo]

At numerous points in the discussion there were requests of sources of feedback for the claim that players were growing weary of the scions. I will thus provide the following link.

So now reddit is not bad and is good for using as a source? Great, time to do some searching.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._somehow_than/
Here we have a thread about Endwalker being better than Shadowbringers with 92% upvotes and quite a few comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._much_as_most/
This one is about someone not enjoying Endwalker as much. Only 62% upvotes and under 80 comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...one_else_find/
Another person that finds Endwalker boring. 54% upvotes and 51 comments, most of them barely get any upvotes.

And just because I found them, two character polls (Japanese and chinese) after Endwalker

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...dom_character/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...pularity_poll/

Quite a few of the scions are in the upper rankings, so they cant be that bad.

[SentioftheHoukai]

So now reddit is not bad and is good for using as a source? Great, time to do some searching.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._somehow_than/
Here we have a thread about Endwalker being better than Shadowbringers with 92% upvotes and quite a few comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._much_as_most/
This one is about someone not enjoying Endwalker as much. Only 62% upvotes and under 80 comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...one_else_find/
Another person that finds Endwalker boring. 54% upvotes and 51 comments, most of them barely get any upvotes.

And just because I found them, two character polls (Japanese and chinese) after Endwalker

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...dom_character/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...pularity_poll/

Quite a few of the scions are in the upper rankings, so they cant be that bad.

Yes, they can. Not liking Venat, the Scions or Endwalker gets you downvoted by the Reddit mob, more news at Eleven. This is not evidence, it's a "Gotcha."

I know the forums are different, I even said as such in my post. I was pointing out how every other platform caters to pro-Venat people, while the forums are a more fair place for discussion. The person I was responding to said that it was difficult or 'daunting' to be pro-Venat on this platform. This is not the case, it is merely not as incredibly easy and popular to be pro-Venat here as you'll actually encounter people who don't share your opinions. The forums are what a social media community SHOULD be (or at least far closer than anything else), but this person is accustomed to echo chambers and thus apparently finds the opposing opinions on the forums to be scary.

I did bring up one thing about the forums that makes it more difficult to be anti-Venat, but even with that in mind, I'd rather be posting here than on other sites.

On Reddit you can be downvoted, which hides what you have to say from the public eye and its far too easy to dogpile a dissenting opinion that may very well be valid. You can't do that here, which I suppose makes it fraught with peril to be a Venat supporter. My gods, the utter horror.

I am sorry but I feel I must defend myself a bit here and say that is... hippo crap? Forums would be a very boring place if we all just agreed on everything, especially when it comes to topics of lore and how we are effected by its story and themes. One of the beautiful things about fiction and art is how it can be interpreted and judged in different ways, be it for good or bad. I have found it very interesting to see why people do feel the way they do about Venat and Endwalkers themes, some of the opinions shown on this forum have even opened my eyes into flaws I did not see in my playthrough, though my mind has not be changed on its major points. Perhaps ‘daunting’ was the wrong word to use, and I am sorry. I did not mean to imply any victim hood. In this forum however, it just feels to me that over time… passive-aggressive retorts and accusations of ‘echo chambers’ in regards to those of us who do like the expansion/Venat have become a little more common then actually listening to opinions and debating said lore. Personally speaking it makes trying to engaging in such topics from the side the pendulum swings less feel a little… redundant somtimes.

See what I said in my response to Awesome above. Reddit operates so that dissenting opinions are easy to obfuscate and shove neatly out of view. You can't do that here, which I guess makes it difficult to be a Venat supporter. Somehow. You ask me, the way this forum operates is how forums should operate and I cannot comprehend the reasoning behind any complaints on allowing us who have issues with Endwalker and its message to freely express our views without being downvote bombed. Point is, the way other forums and social media operate are unhealthy and antagonistic.

I'm not gleefully rubbing my hands together at your discomfort like some Saturday morning cartoon villain, if that makes you feel any better. I just want to be able to express what I think without it disappearing into the aether like it does on Reddit.