Live Letter Thoughts

[TaleraRistain]

The conclusion comes from reading the text. The Scions officially disbanded and only a few of them seems to be involved in the current story (Estinien and Y'shtola). Whether that'll be permanent remains to be seen, but this is not in any way an objectively incorrect read of the current events.

But Vel is correct that there's been nothing official saying we would never see X or Y Scion used in the story again. None of them have officially retired in the storyline. They're off on their own pursuits and our paths could cross again as they did with Y'shtola and Estinien and G'raha. I also remember the interview with Krile and Thancred's VAs on it where they did say that those two would have more involved roles in the future. That hasn't come to fruition yet. So just because we haven't seen Thancred now doesn't mean they don't have something percolating, for instance. All Vel was pointing out was the definitive format of the statement was wrong. It wasn't "They appear to be retiring" but that they had and treating it like an absolute fact. Which there is nothing in the storyline or from any official sources to support that idea. I also wouldn't find something like that likely. They can keep someone off on their own pursuits indefinitely and have freedom to bring them back in if they find a place for them in the story. That seems a lot more the type of thing they would want to do, because it keeps their options and flexibility open.

[Atelier-Bagur]

But Vel is correct that there's been nothing official saying we would never see X or Y Scion used in the story again. None of them have officially retired in the storyline. They're off on their own pursuits and our paths could cross again as they did with Y'shtola and Estinien and G'raha. I also remember the interview with Krile and Thancred's VAs on it where they did say that those two would have more involved roles in the future. That hasn't come to fruition yet. So just because we haven't seen Thancred now doesn't mean they don't have something percolating, for instance. All Vel was pointing out was the definitive format of the statement was wrong. It wasn't "They appear to be retiring" but that they had and treating it like an absolute fact. Which there is nothing in the storyline or from any official sources to support that idea. I also wouldn't find something like that likely. They can keep someone off on their own pursuits indefinitely and have freedom to bring them back in if they find a place for them in the story. That seems a lot more the type of thing they would want to do, because it keeps their options and flexibility open.

heck we've seen this happen multiple times in previous msq with some of the Scions being out of action. What the story is doing right now is literally nothing new in terms of not having every Scion present for the current story.

[TaleraRistain]

heck we've seen this happen multiple times in previous msq with some of the Scions being out of action. What the story is doing right now is literally nothing new in terms of not having every Scion present for the current story.

Such as nearly the entirety of Heavenward. We were traveling with our set little party.

[Kazhar]

All Vel was pointing out was the definitive format of the statement was wrong. It wasn't "They appear to be retiring" but that they had and treating it like an absolute fact. Which there is nothing in the storyline or from any official sources to support that idea.

But at the same time, they were losing their shit over it and started screaming that they weren't retiring the Scions, which is also wrong. The only objective truth here is we don't know what's their plan, so it's pointless to police other people over their own interpretation of the story, and in my opinion, the complete opposite of what an healthy discussion should be about.
I don't mind if someone say "this is unconfirmed", but this isn't what they were doing. They were being a hypocrite by contradicting aveyond's unproven statements with more unproven statements, which is the reason I'm convinced all this "objectivity police" which happens here is not done in good faith.

[TaleraRistain]

But at the same time, they were losing their shit over it and started screaming that they weren't retiring the Scions, which is also wrong. The only objective truth here is we don't know what's their plan, so it's pointless to police other people over their own interpretation of the story, and in my opinion, the complete opposite of what an healthy discussion should be about.
I don't mind if someone say "this is unconfirmed", but this isn't what they were doing. They were being a hypocrite by contradicting aveyond's unproven statements with more unproven statements, which is the reason I'm convinced all this "objectivity police" which happens here is not done in good faith.

...says who?

Where? Who said this? When? Source?

Nothing I saw in any liveletter or any other announcement even REMOTELY mentioned this...so where did you get that conclusion from? I watched the entire liveletter last night, fully translated, no one said anything like that.

No one.

Where in that is an unproven statement? I only see a question asking for evidence of a declarative statement made about the retirement of the party.

I also watched the live letter and the official confirmation of retirement of any of the Scions was not mentioned. And you yourself responded to this and said the aveyond's conclusion came from the reading the text. But now you say aveyond's conclusion was unproven? Which is it? You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

[Kazhar]

Where in that is an unproven statement? I only see a question asking for evidence of a declarative statement made about the retirement of the party.

I also watched the live letter and the official confirmation of retirement of any of the Scions was not mentioned. And you yourself responded to this and said the aveyond's conclusion came from the reading the text. But now you say aveyond's conclusion was unproven? Which is it? You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

No, you just seem to be convinced that I'm taking a definite side on the subject when I never did. I think aveyond is allowed to make their own interpretation of the text and assuming that they're retiring the Scions is not an uncorrect read of it, it's just unproven. In the same post you quoted earlier and all the following ones I aknowledged the possibility that it could be wrong.
Only thing I'm against is the stupid outrage over someone not saying "IMO" once again, especially when in this case, this is not even factually incorrect, just unproven for now.

And the hypocritical stuff happened later with VelKallor, not the first post I answered.

[TaleraRistain]

Only thing I'm against is the stupid outrage over someone not saying "IMO" once again, especially when in this case, this is not even factually incorrect, just unproven for now.

Aveyond has a habit of making these declarative statements. Which wouldn't be an issue in and of itself so much, but then they (and certain others) make these snipey little passive aggressive comments that this is the viewpoint of those "who care about the game" or "want to see it succeed". You talk about not promoting healthy discussion. Trying to shut down any viewpoint but your own by insulting those who don't share yours isn't really promoting healthy discussion.

We ALL care about the game and want it to succeed or we wouldn't be here. That's why it's important to put our opinions forth as opinions and respect that others may think differently. That is how you promote healthy discussion.

[SentioftheHoukai]

Aveyond has a habit of making these declarative statements. Which wouldn't be an issue in and of itself so much, but then they (and certain others) make these snipey little passive aggressive comments that this is the viewpoint of those "who care about the game" or "want to see it succeed". You talk about not promoting healthy discussion. Trying to shut down any viewpoint but your own by insulting those who don't share yours isn't really promoting healthy discussion.

We ALL care about the game and want it to succeed or we wouldn't be here. That's why it's important to put our opinions forth as opinions and respect that others may think differently. That is how you promote healthy discussion.

Aveyond has no such habit. What they DO have a habit of is not putting "this is my opinion, I want to make it extra clear you know that" before every sentence they write. It's unreasonable to expect this on a forum, and it most certainly is not the fault of Aveyond for not doing so. As far as I'm concerned, on a forum one should assume that someone is stating their opinion before reading what they posted instead of assuming they're bulldozing in here with what they believe to be objective fact like so many here seem to be wont to do.

It becomes clearer and clearer every day that some here have built up little headcanons and mental images of certain other posters and come out swinging right out the bat with the worst possible interpretations of other's intent when they come to post. Frankly, it's rude and very, very tiring and maybe if you want others to apparently be "nicer" or some such you should be brave and ignite the little spark that initiates the change yourselves.