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[aveyond-dreams]

If an expansion about the apocalypse wasn't the time to focus on more mature storytelling, especially darker and grittier aspects combined with lasting consequences for the protagonist faction then I don't know what is.

[DPZ2]

If an expansion about the apocalypse wasn't the time to focus on more mature storytelling, especially darker and grittier aspects combined with lasting consequences for the protagonist faction then I don't know what is.

Ah. The nub of your disdain is "lasting consequences". In a video game series known for throwing away NPC party members, but whose main characters return again. And again. And agai --- hello there Cid!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If an expansion about the apocalypse wasn't the time to focus on more mature storytelling, especially darker and grittier aspects combined with lasting consequences for the protagonist faction then I don't know what is.

You know, you can have "mature storytelling" (whatever that means) and dark and gritty without killing off half your cast. GoT isn't the end all be all of dark and gritty. You can have dark, gritty, and depressing and still have a happy ending.

[Theodric]

You know, you can have "mature storytelling" (whatever that means) and dark and gritty without killing off half your cast. GoT isn't the end all be all of dark and gritty. You can have dark, gritty, and depressing and still have a happy ending.

As has been pointed out over the numerous past occasions where the 'tHiS iS nOt GaMe Of ThRoNeS' line has been spouted, many of us aren't asking for mass death for the sake of mass death and are instead asking for death to occur where and when it makes sense. Cladding the bulk of the cast in extensive plot armour simply sends things in the opposite direction.

I would humbly suggest bookmarking this post if you're able to. It might help refresh your memory next time this same point is raised.

[DPZ2]

As has been pointed out over the numerous past occasions where the 'tHiS iS nOt GaMe Of ThRoNeS' line has been spouted, many of us aren't asking for mass death for the sake of mass death and are instead asking for death to occur where and when it makes sense. Cladding the bulk of the cast in extensive plot armour simply sends things in the opposite direction.

I would humbly suggest bookmarking this post if you're able to. It might help refresh your memory next time this same point is raised.

I saw no reason in this expansion for the deaths of Scions to take place. We didn't start seeing the primary cause for "doom, disaster and despair" until half-way through the expansion. The good guys were helping out the rest of the world but were never in any great life-threatening situation worse than the ones they handled in previous expansions.

You may choose to call it plot armour. I choose to call it experience.

[Theodric]

I saw no reason in this expansion for the deaths of Scions to take place. We didn't start seeing the primary cause for "doom, disaster and despair" until half-way through the expansion. The good guys were helping out the rest of the world but were never in any great life-threatening situation worse than the ones they handled in previous expansions.

You may choose to call it plot armour. I choose to call it experience.

Each to their own, self proclaimed heroes who are handed every possible plot device in order to succeed without barely breaking a sweat does not make them either relatable, interesting or inspirational to me. I also rather suspect quite a few people like the characters in question so much that their enthusiasts will say anything to justify their continued presence and the lack of meaningful, permanent harm being inflicted upon them.

It's pretty easy to have the characters preach about overcoming suffering and despair when they - and their fans - are sheltered from it on almost every front.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I saw no reason in this expansion for the deaths of Scions to take place. We didn't start seeing the primary cause for "doom, disaster and despair" until half-way through the expansion. The good guys were helping out the rest of the world but were never in any great life-threatening situation worse than the ones they handled in previous expansions.

You may choose to call it plot armour. I choose to call it experience.

To be fair, the Promotional Trailer had a Deathflag at the end with Alphi giving a speech to his Friends
If there was any time to think a Scion WOULD have died, it was then. There was no hint or idea that anyone WOULD die, except for Alphi at the end of the final Trailer.

I wont advocate for his death or say he should have died, but that did give the idea he would possibly die.

[Iscah]

To be fair, the Promotional Trailer had a Deathflag at the end with Alphi giving a speech to his Friends
If there was any time to think a Scion WOULD have died, it was then. There was no hint or idea that anyone WOULD die, except for Alphi at the end of the final Trailer.

I wont advocate for his death or say he should have died, but that did give the idea he would possibly die.

I don't think "death flag in a trailer" is anything worth going on. I never trust a trailer and avoid watching them exactly because they tend to set up "fake foreshadowing" that isn't there in the actual narrative of the story.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I don't think "death flag in a trailer" is anything worth going on. I never trust a trailer and avoid watching them exactly because they tend to set up "fake foreshadowing" that isn't there in the actual narrative of the story.

Going off of FFXIVs history, sure, agreed. But its sort of a trope that you see in shows where they give a "hint" that a character might meet their demise.
So with the setup, OMG IS HE GONNA DIE
Probly not, (laughs in Y'Shtola) but its still the fact they set it up that way in the final trailer

[TaleraRistain]

I don't think "death flag in a trailer" is anything worth going on. I never trust a trailer and avoid watching them exactly because they tend to set up "fake foreshadowing" that isn't there in the actual narrative of the story.

Or sometimes when they put it right in your face like the Revolutions video where right after the "when light is quenched that another might burn brighter" line they show Meffrid. Then fake you out with Lyse and Y'shtola being the ones facing down Zenos.

I loved how they made those Void flashbacks in the 6.1 trailer seem so important and they just turned out to be the WoL going to Y'shtola Void School. I watch trailers now just to see how they are different and how much they end up trolling us.