What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[SentioftheHoukai]

I mean, it usually doesn't matter how politely someone tries to point out that this thread holds a relatively niche opinion or that, sometimes, the complaints here come off as toxic. The backlash is still just as ferocious.

Doubtful. I mean, how can you call US toxic when things like this:

In the end nothing in this thread really matters. A series of opinions and nothing more. The game will not change. The vast majority of players will love the story regardless. You guys keep this thread alive though if it makes you feel special.

Are being said by those in the pro-Venat/pro-Endwalker camp? Betcha you were one of the updooters!

I mean, really. What exactly is giving you the moral high ground here? Literally the only purpose of this thread is to express our disappointment in the EW story. It's hardly harming anyone, and there are certainly 10 times the amount of positive pro-EW threads so I really don't see what the issue is if it's NOT that negative opinions of Endwalker aren't welcome on the Fora.

Hi

You can definitely scan back through my posts, because I've never said or even attempted to imply that a comment "doesn't matter" just because it's a minority opinion. My main train is to simply note that it is just an opinion and that it's both more polite and more productive to express it as such. Too frequently I see people working themselves up in this echo chamber declaring "the story is bad and the devs don't care" as if it's some objective fact (it's not), and then getting frustrated when it doesn't bring about change. I point out when someone's asking for a sweeping change to something, that's unlikely to happen when it's an opinion only shared by a very small group and would in the process alienate a much larger group.

Huehuehue, how interesting....

Suddenly, it's YOU who've "never said that" and cannot verify evidence or provide proof! Whatever shall you do, Striker-kun?

Seriously, though. It's hardly fair for you to say that now, not when you consistently accuse others of making wild insinuations like being the "Ultimate Arbiters of Good and Bad, Right and Wrong". Where'dya get that phrase anyway, Mr. Animu Lord?

[CrownySuccubus]

Doubtful. I mean, how can you call US toxic when things like this: Are being said by those in the pro-Venat/pro-Endwalker camp?

Because it's not mutually-exclusive? I've had toxic people insult me over my opinions of the game, too. Doesn't change the fact that there have been plenty of cases where I've felt this thread went too far.

Betcha you were one of the updooters!

Nope.

I mean, really. What exactly is giving you the moral high ground here? Literally the only purpose of this thread is to express our disappointment in the EW story. It's hardly harming anyone

Who said anything about "moral high ground"? I don't agree with some of the arguments being made, or (sometimes) the manner in which they're made.

Just because someone agrees that the story is bad doesn't mean that they need to agree with every single complaint made about it.

[Striker44]

Huehuehue, how interesting....

Suddenly, it's YOU who've "never said that" and cannot verify evidence or provide proof! Whatever shall you do, Striker-kun?

Seriously, though. It's hardly fair for you to say that now, not when you consistently accuse others of making wild insinuations like being the "Ultimate Arbiters of Good and Bad, Right and Wrong". Where'dya get that phrase anyway, Mr. Animu Lord?

Hehe, I made that phrase up, but I kinda like it, and it seems to stick in people's minds, so...I'll go with it

And what's "interesting" about a fact? Seriously, go find a post of mine where I claimed someone's opinion didn't matter simply because it was a minority opinion. I notice you didn't yet. I wonder why that is?

The phrase of mine your quoting doesn't do that. It just points out people like to act as if personal opinions are facts. I'll say it again - there's a difference between something "not mattering" and someone getting themselves frustrated more and more because they refuse to consider that their opinion might be widely opposed, and then getting exasperated when the dev team doesn't change their approach to suit them.