What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Lustre]

Comic is good. Not the authors fault that reddit vanatori neckbeards can't stand any opinion that differs from the hivemind. Anyway, it's been 246 days since Endwalker Early Access launched (if you could call it a launch..) and I think I actually dislike this expansion more as time goes on. I thought eventually I'd warm to it, but nah. I thought maybe it's like a fine wine that gets better with age, but it seems time just exposes more of the stupidity present in this xpac. I'm hoping Pandamonium part 2 will give me something to be excited about, but considering they've shafted all of the previous ancient plot points, I'm not gonna hold my breath. They'll probably have Graha Tia turn up at the last moment to sniff my hair and save the day with the power of friendship

[Striker44]

Comic is good. Not the authors fault that reddit vanatori neckbeards can't stand any opinion that differs from the hivemind. Anyway, it's been 246 days since Endwalker Early Access launched (if you could call it a launch..) and I think I actually dislike this expansion more as time goes on. I thought eventually I'd warm to it, but nah. I thought maybe it's like a fine wine that gets better with age, but it seems time just exposes more of the stupidity present in this xpac. I'm hoping Pandamonium part 2 will give me something to be excited about, but considering they've shafted all of the previous ancient plot points, I'm not gonna hold my breath. They'll probably have Graha Tia turn up at the last moment to sniff my hair and save the day with the power of friendship

Fine wine ages because you leave it alone. If you kept starting at it every day growing more and more frustrated that it isn't instantly turning into precisely the taste you want it to be, it doesn't help. Dwelling in an echo chamber of negativity like the forums here actually degrades your chances of enjoying something. It's one of those quirks of human nature. Sometimes it's healthy to step away completely for a bit and let that wine do its thing and age. Constantly complaining about it isn't going to make you magically enjoy it.

[Liam_Harper]

Probably the best reaction. Theres alot to hate about Venat, but that comic dosent offer much of a better option. Really wish we could have gotten a "neutral" option of condemning both sides for being idiots.

If they hadn't tried to cram everything into one expansion so they could brush the whole story to the side, they could have built up Venat as a likeable character with some actual plot reasons as to why a Sundering was the only option.

But no, they didn't and the result was pure nonsense that didn't connect at all. The comic is nice, but the best thing SE could have done was not rushed the conclusion to a decade worth of story build up.

[TMW001]

If they hadn't tried to cram everything into one expansion so they could brush the whole story to the side, they could have built up Venat as a likeable character with some actual plot reasons as to why a Sundering was the only option.

But no, they didn't and the result was pure nonsense that didn't connect at all. The comic is nice, but the best thing SE could have done was not rushed the conclusion to a decade worth of story build up.

I'm still annoyed how easily Zodiark got snuffed I mean sure he was incomplete but you'd thing a millennia old primal that can only be shackled not put down would have some more to it like maybe over time it grew a heart or mind of its own and decide it won't need the Ascions anymore and would make new worshipers out of the current races.

[Lauront]

Fine wine ages because you leave it alone. If you kept starting at it every day growing more and more frustrated that it isn't instantly turning into precisely the taste you want it to be, it doesn't help. Dwelling in an echo chamber of negativity like the forums here actually degrades your chances of enjoying something. It's one of those quirks of human nature. Sometimes it's healthy to step away completely for a bit and let that wine do its thing and age. Constantly complaining about it isn't going to make you magically enjoy it.

Neither is ignoring its flaws or pretending they don't exist. If anything, this is not ageing like a fine wine but milk left out in the afternoon sun.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

Neither is ignoring its flaws or pretending they don't exist. If anything, this is not ageing like a fine wine but milk left out in the afternoon sun.

And here we all are trying to ignore the stench. Some people ignore it, others say "it's gone bad and we could have done something about it". Then you got those that find the new guy and tell them "it's fine. Just chug it!".

The "echo" comes from them laughing at the new guy who is now vomiting their guts out.

[GrizzlyTank]

I'm still annoyed how easily Zodiark got snuffed I mean sure he was incomplete but you'd thing a millennia old primal that can only be shackled not put down would have some more to it like maybe over time it grew a heart or mind of its own and decide it won't need the Ascions anymore and would make new worshipers out of the current races.

Because in hindsight, the entire Zodiark ark ended with Elidibus while Fandaniel just wanted to destroy what was left of it to doom the world.

[Kazhar]

Fine wine ages because you leave it alone. If you kept starting at it every day growing more and more frustrated that it isn't instantly turning into precisely the taste you want it to be, it doesn't help. Dwelling in an echo chamber of negativity like the forums here actually degrades your chances of enjoying something. It's one of those quirks of human nature. Sometimes it's healthy to step away completely for a bit and let that wine do its thing and age. Constantly complaining about it isn't going to make you magically enjoy it.

This is completely unrelated.
TV Series The Sopranos's ending was originally received quite poorly because of how unconventionnal it was, but over the years more and more people started to recognize it for the genius it was through analysis and discussions.
In contrast, Game of Thrones's reception only got worse over the years, with people still being angry over it more than 3 years after its run was over.
Talking and analyzing a work only makes it worse if its quality was surface level. Which is IMO, exactly the case for Endwalker.

[aveyond-dreams]

This is completely unrelated.
TV Series The Sopranos's ending was originally received quite poorly because of how unconventionnal it was, but over the years more and more people started to recognize it for the genius it was through analysis and discussions.
In contrast, Game of Thrones's reception only got worse over the years, with people still being angry over it more than 3 years after its run was over.
Talking and analyzing a work only makes it worse if its quality was surface level. Which is IMO, exactly the case for Endwalker.

Agreed. Other than game of thrones I’ve never seen a piece of media have this sort of reception to it that only seems to become more negative with time. I’ve yet to see anyone who was negative about Endwalker after finishing it end up liking it as time goes on.

[Tama-Kanzashi]

Fine wine ages because you leave it alone. If you kept starting at it every day growing more and more frustrated that it isn't instantly turning into precisely the taste you want it to be, it doesn't help. Dwelling in an echo chamber of negativity like the forums here actually degrades your chances of enjoying something. It's one of those quirks of human nature. Sometimes it's healthy to step away completely for a bit and let that wine do its thing and age. Constantly complaining about it isn't going to make you magically enjoy it.

At this point I'm convinced that 95% of the time you have no idea what you are talking about.

EW is like a fresh fish, it starts out smelling mildly unpleasant and the longer you let it sit the more it starts smelling like rot and makes you want to vomit.

The only thing connecting it with wine is that it can be applied to EW like to a bad date, you can get drunk until it looks okay to you. Which I have a feeling is something far too many people here are doing, but it also puts them in the mood to come here and unload their sloshy, needlessly wordy and pseudo-intellectual stream of consciousness about why it is so great.