MSQ Difficulty and Exclusion

[VelKallor]

None of that is elitism either because the OP gives examples of content casual players have already cleared en masse. The only players "excluded" would be those who want to put in almost no effort yet still expect a clear.

Reread his post...OP wanted to exclude people over a certain age group.

While I admittedly haven't had the time to read each post in this thread, I just wanted to chime in and say that I'm not sure that making MSQ content easier in order to not exclude older players is a good thing. Why would someone in their late teens or early 20s want to play a game that was also designed to accommodate for the reaction times of someone significantly older? I do think that having a set target demographic in terms of age is a good thing, especially in terms of difficulty level.

Wanting to exclude people because they dont meet his "standards" isnt elitist...?

Yes..yes it is.

There was also another commenter in another thread that bluntly said disabled people shouldnt even play.

[ForteNightshade]

Reread his post...OP wanted to exclude people over a certain age group.



Wanting to exclude people because they dont meet his "standards" isnt elitist...?

Yes..yes it is.

Now re-read mine; specifically where I said say, they OP gave examples. Let's look at those, shall we?

"Titania
• All 3 NieR raids
• All 3 Ivalice raids
• Delubrum Reginae"

Titania is far from difficult. She simply can kill people expecting a complete faceroll.

While partly subjective, the Nier raids are among the easiest introduced. Yoshida even acknowledged as much, saying they were designed to be easier than normal because they wanted to appeal towards Nier fans potentially unfamiliar with FFXIV.

That leaves the Ivalice series and Delubrum. The former is more or less average in difficulty. The bosses can kill you, which is more than one can say about any dungeon boss. Nevertheless, they aren't walls even in their heyday. The exception being Thunder God Cid before the massive nerfs that completely neutered him. Delubrum, on the other hand, is where I'd disagree with the OP. Those bosses have more intricate designs and mechanics better fit for Normal modes.

All in all, these examples largely don't lineup with excluding the vast majority of players given it's all content that currently exists and has been cleared by a significant amount of players, especially Titania.

[VelKallor]

I willingly concede on difficulty.

Ivalice Im not really a fan of, I preferred the CT series tbh in terms of mechanics etc plus its fun ( I wish we had more to do inside the tower truthfully, explore more of its innards and maybe more lore what is can do and why...) , Ivalice is okay but not my favourite.

Nier, yes I agree..but the last one was somewhat..annoying....with some of the mechanics..then again, maybe thats more of a case to do with me needing more practice than the mechanics themselves..so yes, Ill agree on that as well.

Good point.

Titania is the exception as it IS an MSQ raid (Ill add here that Nier and Ivalice arent tied to MSQ...Ivalice is to unlock Bozja , with the counterpoint Bozja is NOT part of the main MSQ...I think you see what I mean on that one.

The key element here is we NEED to separate what is in the MSQ as opposed to what is not...maybe thats where the comparison falls over, Id like your thoughts on that. Delubrum is again not main MSQ, its part of Bozja and is optional content if you are after a relic weapon....sooooo..Delubrum vs say Dying Gasp as a contrast?

MSQ on its own should NOT be a bloody brick wall, the OPs attitudes on older players actually grates on me..I was actually astounded that ANYONE is still stuck in a 2004 mindset..but I am sure he means well, bless his gentle, kind heart.