Can Someone Help Me Understand The Endgame

[Jeeqbit]

daily checklist included doing x dungeon and x raid etc.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/G...Locked_Content
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Content_Unlock

All of the unlock quests are blue. They are found at city states or settlements so you can just type /teleport and go down the list to see if you missed any.

I can't give you a reason why you should do them, because that depends on your goals. You might do all of the quests in the game because you like story, because you are a completionist, because they award mounts, minions or orchestrion rolls and you want to collect them. If you want to do the traditional gear grind, the only relevant content is the savage and ultimate raids at max level and capping tomestones which is easy to do with a daily Expert roulette. There is a casual patch 4 months after the savage release which allows you to upgrade tomestone gear to the max item level without raiding.

Like the normal raids are too easy doesn't reward you enough and when you got to some point you have to jump from easy trial like normal trial to a really hard trial like extreme trials. There is nothing between.

You can think of it differently. Extreme trials are the content in the middle and can be progressed and cleared in a single day in party finder. Look for [Practice] parties if you are learning and make sure you can get up to the mechanic it says in the description consistently.

The first 2 savage floors can be done casually as well. They can take less than a day to learn but they can take much longer (weeks) depending on your own experience and luck with getting good parties. You can join [Practice] parties and then join [Duty Completion] parties when you are on enrage prog.

The 3rd and 4th savage floors are usually not very good if you want to play casually. You encounter mechanics that require a lot of coordination and good gameplay, so it's difficult to find good parties and it makes you want a static with good players.

We are getting a new type of content next month to bridge this content. They will be variant, criterion and savage dungeons, but you can think of them as normal, extreme and savage.

There is one thing that i wanna make clear is that. As someone who played WoW over 6 years i can easily say extremes trials are not equal to normal raids in WoW.

They are not easy to do correctly but they are easy to clear with mistakes because of the amount of opportunities to res.

It's not always easy to resolve the mechanics on your own, but in this expansion we have had a "follow the dorito" or "follow the party" thing which allows a single person to carry everyone else through the hard mechanics. I would love to see some of the people saying extremes are easy to not follow anyone or have callouts and work out where to go on their own.

[Renalt]

Endgame is marriage.

[GrizzlyTank]

FFXIV end game gearing is pretty relaxed compared to WoW's.

Thanks to the gearing process being deterministic.

Ironically some of the times in WoW where PVE sees the most engagement is when the gear acquisition is deterministic... through PVP...

Meanwhile if you only raid you will have to kill a boss 13-21-27 (2,3,4 possible items in drop) times for a coin-toss for the one item you want.

[Rilifane]

You can play and only do raids, works perfectly fine. I do that as well.
As for the checklist, there isn't much to do.
After the release of a new tier (2nd tier will release in a few weeks), you can do all of the following:

• cap tomes (450 per week)
• do all normal raid floors every week for token (1 per floor)
• do only 4th floor normal raid every week for the token for the tome weapon upgrade (if you don't need token from the other floors anymore)
• do hunt trains/ spiritbonding gear in max level duties for Materia

The normal raid gear is on par with crafted gear in terms of ilvl and depending on the class and substats it's usually best to have a mix of both which serves as starting gear for a tier.

Once the catch up patch released you can also do the most current Alliance raid for Coins which you can trade for upgrade items for tome gear as well as the gear itself (same item level as tome gear before upgrading).

It's also nice to have crafters leveled.
Culinarian for making your own buff food and Alchemist for making your own potions.
The other crafters for repairing your gear inside a duty. Going the self-sufficient route also gives you the option to farm the mats yourself.
But the only thing more or less mandatory is capping your 450 tomes per week for the tome gear because best in slot is always a mix of raid and tome gear for every class.

And regarding difficulty...
You're new, still inexperienced and likely overwhelmed; that's normal. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that Extremes in FFXIV are nowhere near Mythic raids in WoW.
Don't try to approach the fight with the mindset from WoW and try to play "WoW but in FFXIV", it won't work.
FFXIV fights are completely scripted, you have (theoretically) infinte resses, a very high focus on uptime and dps and other differences which means it's best to simply approach it as a different game and go from there.

It's a dance you're supposed to memorize and after a tier or maybe two you'll recognize a lot of things that get reused time after time and you'll know what to do the moment you see a boss raising a hand or certain markers appear.
The "welcome to raiding" aoe at around 15s into the fight. The tankbuster afterwards. Staple mechanics like stack/ spread, towers, breaking tethers, side cleaves, meteors, dive bombs, colour pairs, numbers etc.
I progged my 3rd raid tier fully blind and a few choice mechanics aside most of it was "Ah, yeah, that. The usual [insert staple mechanic]".

[Ransu]

Thanks to the gearing process being deterministic.

Ironically some of the times in WoW where PVE sees the most engagement is when the gear acquisition is deterministic... through PVP...

Meanwhile if you only raid you will have to kill a boss 13-21-27 (2,3,4 possible items in drop) times for a coin-toss for the one item you want.

Get a static then? You wont have to fight for rolls every week against pugs. Also, the books are a thing, you don't HAVE to win the roll. You can get gear from the books.

[GrizzlyTank]

Get a static then? You wont have to fight for rolls every week against pugs. Also, the books are a thing, you don't HAVE to win the roll. You can get gear from the books.

I was exclusively talking about WoW's loot system there :|

FFXIV on the other hand you run the risk of getting less loot if there are members have already killed the boss that week, so it kind of forces static parties.
And even if you don't get loot a week you will still get a token that will give a deterministic reward, so the weekly run isn't wasted.

Unlike with wow for most of it's patches.

[Jojoya]

I am a WoW refuge, and back in the day when i was playing WoW they were strict things to do when it comes to endgame. Like i had a daily checklist included doing x dungeon and x raid etc. But when it comes to FFXIV i couldn't find a decent end game guide. All their saying is there is that raid you can do, and there is that trial you can do but they are not saying when or why should i do them.

You're not finding any endgame guides because as others have already said, you get to pick your endgame in FFXIV. It's not the same thing for every player.

When and why to do trials and raids? When you have the time because you want to do them. It's that simple.

And the other thing i really couldn't put my mind to it is this. Correct me if i am wrong but seems like when it comes to a player like me who enjoys doing raids, dungeons and trials there is only 2 option you are either a casual player or hardcore player. Like the normal raids are too easy doesn't reward you enough and when you got to some point you have to jump from easy trial like normal trial to a really hard trial like extreme trials. There is nothing between. I am not a hardcore player, i don't wanna do extremes but i don't wanna do anything but raiding, trials and dungeons. So in order to upgrade my ilevel i have to do extreme after i am done with normals then i have to do savages? I don't have time or skill for either of those things.

In what way do Normal raids not reward you enough? I can understand why you might feel Normal trials aren't rewarding because they aren't but it seems a strange comment to make about the raids.

There is no in between because this isn't a game with an endgame raid focus like WoW. Trying to treat this game like it's WoW is a sure way to cause headaches for yourself.

But that doesn't mean there isn't content for you to enjoy.

As for upgrading your gear - tomestones. Augmented Radiant gear is the same ilvl as Savage Asphodelos gear. It's not necessarily going to be your BiS but then it was near impossible to get BiS in WoW unless you were Mythic raiding, which I'm guessing you didn't do since you say you don't have time for Savage in this game.

Like in WoW you start with looking for raids, then normal, then hard and thats where i stop cause like i said i am not skilled enough for mythic raids and i don't have time for it as well. But in FFXIV i can't do that cause after i am done with normal raiding it sends me straight to the mythic hard content like extremes. And even if i am able to do extremes you only need to do them few times until you reach certain ilevel then all you have left with is savages which is equal to mythics or even worse. So please help me if i am missing something here.

One thing players have complained about here is the skill gap between Normal and Savage that EX trials doesn't adequately address. Many are waiting to see how the Criterion dungeons being added next patch will turn out.

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I think the information we're missing if we're going to be able to help you is what your goals are for your character. You've told us what type of content you like to do but not how that content relates to the goals you've created for your character.

If we don't know what your actual goals are, it's hard to point you in the right direction.

Is your goal to get the best possible ilvl you can without doing Savage? Then work on the tomestone gear. You won't be able to augment it in the even patches but the augments will become available in the odd patches by doing the Alliance raids and/or hunts (which I understand is not content you're really interested in but it's the fastest way to get your augments when you're not doing Savage).

Is it simply to have fun doing dungeons, trials and raids? You can always do the roulettes and not worry about the difficulty. Or you can tackle old content solo unsynced as a personal challenge.

Is it to complete achievements? Again a number of ways to accomplish that though you'd still miss out on those related to EX or Savage when those are current content.

[Shuuli]

Youre correct in thinking that difficulty generally goes Normal>Extreme>Savage>Ultimate, but its worth noting that a lot of these terms make them seem harder than they really are. Extreme is midcore content, and would probably be equivalent with normal or heroic raid difficulty in wow. Normal content here is like LFR in wow. I do believe that the jump from current normal content to current Extreme content is way way too big of a jump for most people who aren't experienced with MMOs, but that's a topic for another day lol

if you're looking for a treadmill to run on between patches, this game isnt the best for that, for better or for worse.

You missed Unreal I think Unreal is between Extreme and Savage or so.

I am someone who likes to do trials, raids and dungeons but looks like as long as i don't put enough mind and time for it i won'T be able to do them cause extremes trials are too time consuming and hard for me. And i don't wanna do anything else but raiding, trials and dungeons.

I would try to do the deep dungeons in your place. That is the most familiar thing to WoW mythic in my opinion.

And soon you will have the new one out anyway.

Just a note > do not do it on party finder as you cannot go higher a certain level through that. You need to make your own party (like in WoW) to be able to use full content for PTOD.

You can reach 200 in like 2 - 3 days if your party sticks together.

But also good luck finding 3 person who has free time to run the whole shit down and are sticking together to run again.

Edit> there are pretty good achievements and unlocking options by doing Fates. Currently one of the most expensieve items in the game can be purchased by running , and maxing out fates. So you can do fate groups too.

Also, if you like shiney weapons, start your relic weapon journey. I suggest to not to start with ARR ones or you will pull your hair out on trying to figure out what you need to do.

[Illmaeran]

You missed Unreal

Shuuli,

Unreal's a shooter, not MMO.

:P

Edit> there are pretty good achievements and unlocking options by doing Fates.

FATES + Squadron Spiritbinding or XP boost scrolls = Win.

[Rayne6665]

True endgame: Glamour xD