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[Solarra]

How is that the fault of the lottery? This critique was true in the previous system aswell.

I am not saying the lottery is the cause of the housing shortage (of course it isn't). My point is this - pushing for houses to be taken away from other players has resulted in measures to make the present situation fairer and more bearable. It has not pushed Square towards fixing the actual problem.

If we as a community continue to demand houses are taken away from the 'undeserving', then all we are going to get are more band-aids and minor tweaks.
I'd rather see Square working on ways to provide enough houses for everyone.

[BRVV]

I want a house. Just because i want to do gardening. I don't actually really want to do gardening. All i want is craft those minions, orchestral rolls and all that stuff that needs items which are exclusively gained from gardening! I hate to be at the mercy of the market board! Let me get that stuff myself somehow!

@Solarra: ah ok. The way you phrased it it wasn't clear if you meant the lottery was at fault.

So lottery diminished the chances for bots and people that waste a full day to click a thing in a videogame. Tbh not that much of a sacrifice in my opinion. If you want to increase your chances just get more characters on the same server! (Yes there is someone on this forum who advocates for this. Clarification: I don't mean myself. I find the idea to pay extra to get better chances ridiculous)

[BRVV]

Wrong quote tag? Wasn't it 1 Character per Server but 8 per Datacenter before? Really weird. So it just takes the time to get a few mill again or send it. My bad.

[Jojoya]

I want a house. Just because i want to do gardening. I don't actually really want to do gardening. All i want is craft those minions, orchestral rolls and all that stuff that needs items which are exclusively gained from gardening! I hate to be at the mercy of the market board! Let me get that stuff myself somehow!

Then why not ask a friend who has a house and isn't using their garden to add you as a tenant so you can use theirs? The amount you would have to pay to get a house exceeds how much you would have to pay to get all those gardening items you want from the marketboard.

Orchestrion rolls aren't tied to gardening, by the way.

Wrong quote tag? Wasn't it 1 Character per Server but 8 per Datacenter before? Really weird. So it just takes the time to get a few mill again or send it. My bad.

It had been. SE changed that with the expansion launch if I remember correctly.

[BRVV]

Yeah that one was submarine or airship missions... i kinda put all those into "unobtainable" for me.
None of my friends have houses.
ALL materials for crafts that require gardening are still cheaper than 3 mill? Maybe. The annoying thing is that i am at the mercy of other players. No one selling the item i want right now? Oh someone just put it up... for 400k each and i need like 10... (just an example). The point is i would be reliant on the marketboard.

[UkcsAlias]

I got a house this week (and still think they should do instanced housing/ bigger apartments) and have no intention of growing onions. It’s way too much trouble. If you check wards, you’ll notice that very few houses are growing onions for that same reason.

The thing is, for onions you need to do several cycles of breeding if you want to get them 'for free'. So even if 10 houses would do that, there is a big chance you see only 1 house growing them because of that. But even in this case, growing the onions outside is a waste, you can better use a crop that can crossbreed into the onions instead, and just use the flower pots inside the house/appartments instead. Which on that also matches better with the rate crossbreeding gives the seeds.

And this also brings the next part: A lot of people just dont bother growing the onion seeds anymore, but instead focus on the seeds of a substep, and just repeat that one every time. Each step already increases value anyway. And generaly you can balance between the ingredients if that is needed if 1 of the seeds had an oversupply. If a substep seed can be used for even more, than that has far more benefits in the first place as it can adapt better to the needs.

Onions arent the most valuable to grow unless you can stock up on them and sell them during moments where growing isnt viable (new patch releases generaly disrupt login options, and can easily lock you out for a day). And especialy with newer wards, the price of them dropped quite a bit. Yesterday i even noticed that the onions were even cheaper than the seeds. A lot of people simply arent busy with leveling anymore where the chocobo would generaly level with them.

[VerdeLuck]

I am not saying the lottery is the cause of the housing shortage (of course it isn't). My point is this - pushing for houses to be taken away from other players has resulted in measures to make the present situation fairer and more bearable. It has not pushed Square towards fixing the actual problem.

If we as a community continue to demand houses are taken away from the 'undeserving', then all we are going to get are more band-aids and minor tweaks.
I'd rather see Square working on ways to provide enough houses for everyone.

Then what's the solution other than waving your hands and saying "Instanced housing"? How do they implement it? Who gets the houses, what features to they have, how do they work it into the game, where are they accessed, how does it stack up to or interface with existing housing?
The reason why things like Auto-Demo Timers, Lottery, and Lot Restrictions make it into the game is because they are concrete ideas that SE can pick up and say "yeah I can do that easily enough". If you want to be taken more seriously you need to give a more concrete vision of what you want. Otherwise they're going to pick up something that requires less design work on their side.
What is this instanced housing? How does it work? Is it just +1 Large to everyone's house count? Is it 1 Large for anyone who doesn't have a personal ward house? There's a lot of questions up in the air when you just say "just give us instanced housing" compared to other suggestions.

Though I guess for some people with houses already, their solution is to come to the housing forum and explain to people here why they actually don't want a house and shouldn't be able to have one unless the replacement system is absolutely perfect.

[Jojoya]

Yeah that one was submarine or airship missions... i kinda put all those into "unobtainable" for me.
None of my friends have houses.
ALL materials for crafts that require gardening are still cheaper than 3 mill? Maybe. The annoying thing is that i am at the mercy of other players. No one selling the item i want right now? Oh someone just put it up... for 400k each and i need like 10... (just an example). The point is i would be reliant on the marketboard.

Guess that depends on what you're trying to get. The gardening unique crafting materials (off the top of my head so I might miss one or two):

Glazenut
Blood Pepper
Royal Fern
Broombush
Jute
Cloudsbreath (technically not gardening unique but the other source is workshop)
Umbrella Fig (also the seeds in the case of one item)
Halone Gerbera
Nymeia Lily
Pearl Roselle

Most of those are involved in the process to crossbreed Thavnairian Onions so there's usually a good supply for sale on the MB. A few of them have a single fairly unpopular use so will sell for a couple of hundred gil at most. I don't think I've ever seen any of the rest over 100k gil (Glazenuts used to come close but it's been a long time since I've seen them that high). Generally you're looking at 10-40k gil for the more expensive ones.

Of course EU prices could be different but I doubt they would be that much different from NA. Even if supply disappears or prices get excessively high on your home world, there's world visit and data center travel to get them cheaper from another world.

There's a point when you need to consider opportunity cost - the value of your time plus the material cost to produce an item versus what it would cost to buy the actual item you want outright. First you're going to cross breed to get the seeds you want and some of them have an RNG component where you can get a different seed instead of what you want. Growth time for the first step will be 5-6 days. Then once you've managed to get the seed you want, it's going to take another 6-7 days to grow it. That's going to be almost 2 weeks of logging in without fail to get an item that you probably could buy off the marketboard for 30k.

Is it really worth the cost savings achieved at the expense of your time spent waiting to grow the item yourself when you could buy it and enjoy the end product today without having to babysit a garden patch for 2 weeks?

Obviously the choice is up to you but since you said you only want a house for the sake of being able to grow those items, I'd highly recommend checking the marketboard for the actual prices and supply of the items you need for what you want to make want before you invest in a house.

[ICountFrom0]

The gardening unique crafting materials (off the top of my head so I might miss one or two):

Glazenut
Blood Pepper
Royal Fern
Broombush
Jute
Cloudsbreath (technically not gardening unique but the other source is workshop)
Umbrella Fig (also the seeds in the case of one item)
Halone Gerbera
Nymeia Lily
Pearl Roselle

Adding to that list are the royal vegtable minions, onion knight through eggplant.

[Jojoya]

Adding to that list are the royal vegtable minions, onion knight through eggplant.

True, thank you. I forgot the seeds are used to craft the stuffed housing furnishings.