Purge ERP from this game!

[CaptainDillweed]

Take responsibility in WHAT WAY?!?!? Simply advertising as 18+ ain't enough for folks here clearly. And outside of that there is literally no other way to insure anything. You're talking in circles with no actual solution.

Most here (from what I've read) aren't just hopping in and erping nor do any seems to be trying to meet minors. I think erp in most cases is as responsible as it can be. And the public stuff that's seen gets handled accordingly

Get proof of age, maybe? You would get carded at a strip club, why not at least try for some sort of equivalent and exercise your best judgment based on the response? I'm not accusing anyone of trying to meet minors, I'm saying that those engaging in ERP should take steps to cover themselves in case they get put in that kind of situation, and any sort of effort whatsoever put in to verifying is better than "well if they lie about their age oh well".

[NanaWiloh]

Such as? Do you have actual examples of this, or just your righteous indignation backing up your claim?

You don't seem to understand that in most cases the rating systems are in no way legally binding. The ESRB and PEGI are non-government, industry run, organizations. The only rating system with some teeth is Austrailia's, which is actually government run, however they also do not consider online interactivity as part of their domain. I suppose China's is pretty strict, but that's a whole different animal as FF in China is run by an entirely different publisher and not relevant to the current conversation of SE run FFXIV.

I'm neither defending nor admonishing ERP, simply giving you facts that the claims you're making have no foundation. Every single prominent rating system does not consider online interaction when handing out ratings.

The following ARC Principles and Guidelines for Responsible Advertising Practices apply to all “qualifying advertising” for physical games rated by the ESRB. Furthermore, all publishers, co-publishers, licensees, and/or other third parties utilizing ESRB ratings for physical games are legally bound to comply with the guidelines. Failure to do so can result in points, corrective actions, and monetary fines.

From the ESRB themselves in short the DEVELOPER not the ESRB can catch Hell for not making sure the games content meet the rating. I never said the ESRB is responible for mainting a rating the developer is..

[Xylira]

The following ARC Principles and Guidelines for Responsible Advertising Practices apply to all “qualifying advertising” for physical games rated by the ESRB. Furthermore, all publishers, co-publishers, licensees, and/or other third parties utilizing ESRB ratings for physical games are legally bound to comply with the guidelines. Failure to do so can result in points, corrective actions, and monetary fines.

From the ESRB themselves in short the DEVELOPER not the ESRB can catch Hell for not making sure the games content meets the rating.

Once again, online interaction is explicitly not taken into consideration when a game is issued a rating. The rating is only within the realm of the content of the game, not that of the behavior of any users.

These ratings boards do not consider any potential online interaction within the scope of their purview. Period. End of story.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Get proof of age, maybe? You would get carded at a strip club, why not at least try for some sort of equivalent and exercise your best judgment based on the response? I'm not accusing anyone of trying to meet minors, I'm saying that those engaging in ERP should take steps to cover themselves in case they get put in that kind of situation, and any sort of effort whatsoever put in to verifying is better than "well if they lie about their age oh well".

Get proof of age...so you honestly expect players to show other players ID cards...even just showing a date of birth isn't fail proof because it could easily be someone else's ID. So it can still come down to being lied to. Being real here that seems more an invasion of privacy if anything.

And do you truly think folks dont already feel folks out by talking to them before they engage? I highly doubt people just see miqos and go "I begin to carress your hair" my dude. Come on now.

Personally I say if you have an issue with how folks conduct themselves while not being able to give a real solution it's time to put your focus elsewhere.

[CaptainCoral]

I understand your frustrations, but I wouldn't count on FFXIV becoming a rated M game. ERP all you like, but it's best to keep it in private. On this game, at least. Plus, I doubt they would make new servers for 18+, especially since underage players could easily lie about their age to access these areas. It would also be a PR mess for SE. They would lose more from pulling such a move than they would gain.
I wish you good luck on finding your kinky, child free paradise, though! (I genuinely mean that.)

i guess and honestly I know i cant change anything i just *sigh* not that it matters noone is going to see the side of anything else in the world.. people are just always going to scream the same line oh kids here kids there... like I can't even put up a massive privacy fench in my back yard in the place i own without ppl screaming oh the kids will get ceriose ~_~

[CaptainDillweed]

Get proof of age...so you honestly expect players to show other players ID cards...even just showing a date of birth isn't fail proof because it could easily be someone else's ID. So it can still come down to being lied to. Being real here that seems more an invasion of privacy if anything.

And do you truly think folks dont already feel folks out by talking to them before they engage? I highly doubt people just see miqos and go "I begin to carress your hair" my dude. Come on now.

Personally I say if you have an issue with how folks conduct themselves while not being able to give a real solution it's time to put your focus elsewhere.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. The only point I have been trying to get across is that anyone engaging in this kind of activity should take as much precaution as possible to avoid causing any potential trouble for themselves. While no method may be 100% foolproof, putting in the actual effort to verify looks a lot better than just throwing your hands up and not trying because you might be lied to either way. I won’t be replying to this anymore, since it’s a useless back and forth where neither of us will change the others mind. Take care, and good day to you.

[NanaWiloh]

Once again, online interaction is explicitly not taken into consideration when a game is issued a rating. The rating is only within the realm of the content of the game, not that of the behavior of any users.

These ratings boards do not consider any potential online interaction within the scope of their purview. Period. End of story.

I said the ESRB is not responible. Players and SE are responible for the games content and online interaction.

[Xylira]

I said the ESRB is not responible. Players and SE are responible for the games content and online interaction.

Of course they are, but that 'responsibility' doesn't equate to any legal or financial repercussions like you keep trying to claim.

FFXIV being a teen rated game is only within the scope of the playable content that SE developed. It has nothing to do with what players choose to do within the game itself. Neither does it impose any hinderance, legal or otherwise, that would stop two consenting adults from engaging in lascivious behavior in private channels in the game.

The only thing at stake is the reputation of SE and the game. With regards to that, Yoshi P has come out and stated in a prior live letter that anything done within the game between two consenting adults is not their business so long as it's done in private channels. If it's done in public, or not all parties involved consenting (keep in mind that minors cannot consent), then report it if you see it and SE will take action against the offender/s if they are violating SE's policies. Or if the issue is egregious enough to run foul of real life law, they'll get law enforcement involved.

I get it, you don't like ERP. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But your opinion is just that, an opinion. You can be upset about it as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that ERP is considered acceptable under specific circumstances. If it happens outside of those circumstances, then report it. Otherwise, it's simply just none of your business and you should ignore it.

[NanaWiloh]

Of course they are, but that 'responsibility' doesn't equate to any legal or financial repercussions like you keep trying to claim.

FFXIV being a teen rated game is only within the scope of the playable content that SE developed. It has nothing to do with what players choose to do within the game itself. Neither does it impose any hinderance, legal or otherwise, that would stop two consenting adults from engaging in lascivious behavior in private channels in the game.

The only thing at stake is the reputation of SE and the game. With regards to that, Yoshi P has come out and stated in a prior live letter that anything done within the game between two consenting adults is not their business so long as it's done in private channels. If it's done in public, or not all parties involved consenting (keep in mind that minors cannot consent), then report it if you see it and SE will take action against the offender/s if they are violating SE's policies. Or if the issue is egregious enough to run foul of real life law, they'll get law enforcement involved.

I get it, you don't like ERP. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But your opinion is just that, an opinion. You can be upset about it as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that ERP is considered acceptable under specific circumstances. If it happens outside of those circumstances, then report it. Otherwise, it's simply just none of your business and you should ignore it.

Not upset but at all but its illegal in most countries for a adults to engange in sexual online interaction with a minor. Hence why people are punished for ERP in game when reported, two adults are fine but SE does not know which players are adults and minors. So they have to take action against those reported regardless of age.

[MistakeNot]

Hence why people are punished for ERP in game when reported, two adults are fine but SE does not know which players are adults and minors. So they have to take action against those reported regardless of age.

Do you have any evidence at all for that? Or are you just making things up?