Purge ERP from this game!

[GrizzlyTank]

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So because a parent don't want to parent everyone else needs to be punished.

[Theodric]

So because a parent don't want to parent everyone else needs to be punished.

I wouldn't consider 'missing out on the ability to approach people online for glorified cyber' to be a punishment, personally.

[GrizzlyTank]

I wouldn't consider 'missing out on the ability to approach people online for glorified cyber' to be a punishment, personally.

Because it never stops at just "missing out on the ability to approach people online for glorified cyber". There is always something else that need censored/removed to "protect the children".

The reality is that his has nothing to do with protecting children. Children are merely used as a bludgeon to exert ones authoritarian morals.

Want to protect children? Treat them with respect. Treat them as individuals and educate them about their own existence as humans. About how to act on the internet, to stay anonymous and steer away from questionable interactions.

[Arazehl]

99% people keep it private, dont they?

Keeping it private doesn't protect you though. It can be private and still garner a mark towards your account, if one or the other decides to make a report on it, maybe because you weren't that good or anything dumb. Then it is in violation and your account will be flagged. The thing is even with two consenting adults, if you just met this person for the first time in an ERP club there is a risk that they can report you after the fact, and it too counts as a violation.

YoshiP didn't say "sure you're safe if it's private" rather he states if you get reported we'll plant a pretty red flag on your account with the word warning on it in bright neon, private or not. In some cases even without a report they can give you an obscenity warning. So basically he says "be careful". That to me is not a confirmation that ERP is okay or not okay. It means the responsibility falls in your lap as does your account and there's no arguing your way out of it if reported.

More and more I see is certain people not being careful, but blatantly advertising it to the public with full invitation to take part. All just because they read portions of the violation policy, and twist it to mean something they can live with. That's when it falls outside the lines of private and made public. Offering up a service to the public, (which we all know it's a paid service even if it's virtually paid) puts into question this company's long standing reputation and what something like this could do in the long run if it gets out of hand. Which it is a strong possibility if you think about.

I'm not against private ERP, or the SFW venues. I'm against clubs who purposely advertising it to the public and the advertising of hiring "courts" to preform these services or that some misguided pre-teen behind a monitor feigning their adulthood to join in what these types of clubs are offering publicly. I question where are the boundary lines when it comes to this type of thing. What's next "billboards on highways"?

[GrizzlyTank]

Have no idea what percentage keep it private though I'm sure it's a majority. It's the minority that doesn't that causes the problems, just like it's the minority who openly display their mod use and datamining access that cause drama for the related parts of the community.

Guide to internet discussion.

1. Find the worst instances even if they are ostracized/downvoted and actively removed.
2. Apply those instances to all other instances.

A depressingly easy way to vilify whatever you want on the internet.

[Jojoya]

Guide to internet discussion.

1. Find the worst instances even if they are ostracized/downvoted and actively removed.
2. Apply those instances to all other instances.

A depressingly easy way to vilify whatever you want on the internet.

It's not strictly an internet problem.

Most real world laws and regulations that restrict what a person is able to do were created because a minority of individuals could not be trusted to act within the bounds of common sense and self-restraint.

If they can't be trusted in real life, there's even less chance they can be trusted on the internet where there's frequently a measure of anonymity to hide behind. Thus laws and regulations start getting spread to online interactions as well. It's easier to blanket ban 100 things under a single rule than to make up 100 rules to cover each of 100 different situations.

I think the best way to "prove" the innocence is by reviewing chat logs.

if it comes to that, that is, and Law enforcement starts investigating the case, they're legally compelled to investigate every little detail. now im not sure if SE would provide full chat logs of a player.

but yeah, that's a pretty good way to prove one's innocence.

I'd say its easier to do that online, as everything is recorded, compared to irl where if you meet someone in the club and they say they're 19, but turns out they're 17, you'd find it harder to prove your innocence.

Yet that's still an incredible ordeal to have to go through, with the possibility of job and relationships being at risk even when someone is innocent. When it comes to such accusations, many take a hardline "act now" stance to distance themselves from the accused. Bruised trust doesn't always heal completely.

Is it worth the risk just for a chance to talk dirty with a random stranger online?

Common sense would say no, but it's ultimately up to the individual.

I'm fine with people doing what they want in private. Any risk is theirs alone. But don't do it in a place where others can witness it. You don't know who's watching.

[Jojoya]

then Minority's the problem, not the whole thing.

if 2 consenting adults do something in private I see 0 issues with it.

works same as irl, if 2 adults do "x" in privacy there're no issues with it, when they do it in the middle of the street its an issue.

Oh I agree what happens in private between 2 consenting adults is their business, not mine or anyone else's. Why I said earlier this wouldn't be a problem if everyone kept it private.

The question is: when it's an online environment, just how certain can one adult be that the other person is also an adult?

If the other person is a minor and the interaction gets reported, it could be difficult to convince law enforcement (and a jury if things go that far) that you were 100% unaware that they were a minor.

Is it worth the risk in a place where part of the TOS states that by accepting you acknowledged that other players may be as young as 13 years of age and you agree to act accordingly when there are other places on the internet designed for "mature adult interaction" that usually have some sort of system in place intended to filter out underage users?

(note that when I say "you" I'm not referring to you, Bukachu, specifically, or trying to imply you're doing anything wrong. It's for anyone reading to consider the questions)

[Bukachu]

The question is: when it's an online environment, just how certain can one adult be that the other person is also an adult?

If the other person is a minor and the interaction gets reported, it could be difficult to convince law enforcement (and a jury if things go that far) that you were 100% unaware that they were a minor.

I think the best way to "prove" the innocence is by reviewing chat logs.

if it comes to that, that is, and Law enforcement starts investigating the case, they're legally compelled to investigate every little detail. now im not sure if SE would provide full chat logs of a player.

but yeah, that's a pretty good way to prove one's innocence.

I'd say its easier to do that online, as everything is recorded, compared to irl where if you meet someone in the club and they say they're 19, but turns out they're 17, you'd find it harder to prove your innocence.

[CaptainCoral]

This is the biggest 'F Dem Kids' meme energy I've seen on here.
I love it.

im actrually sick of my life being ruined and my own freedom being made to only lock away with in my house while they shove their kids every where including on the internet and online stuff...

Its time we start a war against this culture that kneels and worships kids like they some kind divine entity its time to start a war and make this world how it was meant to be like the animals we relly are.