Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
They're all luxuries. This is not a new concept. It's only ever a grind if you make it so. I don't know why people are getting so heated over this.

You forgot S rank / A rank, btw. If we're gonna rank them, that's the 2nd worst.
I put PvP at the top because you're depending on people that don't necessarily care to participate.
The hunt ones are definitely a great example of an excessive grind, the numbers on some of them are pretty absurd (particularly for arr ones). PvP and the aforementioned triad ones aren't as bad imo just because the content you're grinding varies a lot. PvP can be annoying (and has pretty poor balance and some weird mechanics), but there's a lot of people who just enjoy playing it, with the rewards as just a secondary motivation. Triad covers basically every piece of content in the game. Ex mounts are just running the exact same fight way past the point there's any fun in it. There's no reason they couldn't drop the requirement down to 50.

Some grind is a given in an mmo, but I think that there's still a balance to be struck. Some grinds just are awful to actually to do, like does anyone enjoy doing books for arr relics? Or running aurum vale unsync like 40 times? Ideally a grind should be a motivator to keep doing stuff you enjoy to some degree, but might not come back to much otherwise.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying it's only a grind if you make it so. Spreading the grind out over a huge period of time doesn't change what it is, it just means you're slower doing it.

Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
If you require everybody who wants the mount, but isn't lucky, to run the trial 99 times vs them needing to run it 50 times, that's 49 more times that the person who needs the mount will be in a trial while knowing what to do, and being able to instruct others on how to do the raid. 49 more times they can be forced to teach the new incoming player who has never done it before how to do it.
People just make farm parties, people entirely new to the raid generally aren't even allowed in those groups outside old unsync stuff. You get some helpers in clear runs, but you get those people anyway, even blu raids get helpers.