Mount Farming and the 99 Totem Issue

[Kuroka]

I was only interested in my Kamuy's. Suzaku took me 181 tries before I finally got her mount. Seiryu took me 118. I gave up on Zodiark after 108. I really don't want to waste anymore time on such tedious shit. Also, when will I be able to buy Zodiark's mount?

This, exactly that...

Since suzaku I had to buy every single mount, every time, doing all 100+ kills, many times way more as i didnt even get the weapons i needed. Its really fun the first 30-50 maybe 60 times but after that - WE have prooven we can do the fight easily, ive carried enough ppl and wasted tons of time bearing terrible parties - as we all know, either you get stuck in groups from hell or the super fast speed kill groups stop after like 2-3 kills...

Only on titania i had "luck" and got the gwiber on 70+ kills... the only mount ive rolled in years.

But thats not the worst, the worst is the wait, the "oh you cant buy it yet but maybe you wanna farm it 400+ times?" bs... at max after two weeks we should be able to buy it.


Id say, just remove the mount drop and make it an 50 or 100 kill archivment - that would be fair.

It's not YoshiP's fault you are hooked on cosmetics.

Oh it is, as thats literally everything you can do unless you do niche stuff or savage or prog ultimates....
Also the way its rigged, how suddenly on the next patch we can raise the droprates OR WORSE hand the mount for free later on a mogtome...



Its just not fun anymore, if theres literally 0 chances to get it, buying them has ruined all my joy on em - yes thats my own fault but i cant change how i feel about it. Being forced to farm it this many times bc i "have to" made me no longer helping friends with them as in, omg please no more...


it was fun - a LOT of fun when i still felt theres a real chance but nope. Until the droprrates are higher or we can buy em right away im only grabbing the needed weapons and quit.

My advice is just to wait to the ass end of the expansion and just slap them with big ilevels, that's what I do

Sure thats one valid way, but to me thats no fun, feels empty... i want the challange, the struggle, overcomming it, but i also want to have at least a real chance...



My most soul crushing one was emerald ex... on our first 15 clears i had 3 mounts drop, I've rolled 90+ on EACH of em, on each of em THREE ppl rolled even higher then me. Like f### this! usually ppl get the mount on 60+ but the not just one but 3 times im over 90, three roll even higher. Usually im lucky to roll even more then 30. many times i literally rolled like 6 or even just 1.


Shorten the dice to 30, make it an archivment drop, start with lower droprates or at least keek 2 token per kill... anything - but please change something....

If we're gonna compare to savage raids, let's not forget there's a mount there as well, with no alternate method for acquiring it.

Sure but that drops every kill.

[Bukachu]

I was only interested in my Kamuy's. Suzaku took me 181 tries before I finally got her mount. Seiryu took me 118. I gave up on Zodiark after 108. I really don't want to waste anymore time on such tedious shit. Also, when will I be able to buy Zodiark's mount?

Dont you get enough totems after 99 tries?

[Reinha]

I've not heard that complaint, but running an ex trial almost definitely over 100 times for a single mount they reskin to fit the boss better is not a compromise or anything in between. It's a boring repetitive grind, that really only exists to drag out subs.

That is how collecting works. It's grinding things you want. The PvP series rewards are a similar grind. Tank mounts are a grind. The untradable minions from 87, 89 and 90 dungeons are a grind. The Tripple Triad mount is a grind. Thankfully nearly all the grinds are finite and not based on RNG alone.

If you don't like the grind for a reskinned mount then get something easier like a beast tribe mount. That also leaves you time to unsub whenever.

[LordGiggles]

That is how collecting works. It's grinding things you want. The PvP series rewards are a similar grind. Tank mounts are a grind. The untradable minions from 87, 89 and 90 dungeons are a grind. The Tripple Triad mount is a grind. Thankfully nearly all the grinds are finite and not based on RNG alone.

If you don't like the grind for a reskinned mount then get something easier like a beast tribe mount. That also leaves you time to unsub whenever.

PvP is not literally running the exact same scripted content over and over and over and over. Tank mount grind and dungeon drop rates for some stuff are dumb too. I dunno why you thought I'd think differently regarding those, some grind is a given in an mmo, but there's really no reason to lock mounts behind that huge wall of tedious boring gameplay. They're not even prestigious mounts or rewards, anyone dedicated enough gets one, so why keep the time requirement so high if you're unlucky?

I have no interest in the ex mounts from the last couple expacs, they're super weirdly proportioned and I'm happy enough with the petrel. That really doesn't have much to do with thinking the grind is excessive for what it is though.

[Deveryn]

PvP is not literally running the exact same scripted content over and over and over and over. Tank mount grind and dungeon drop rates for some stuff are dumb too. I dunno why you thought I'd think differently regarding those, some grind is a given in an mmo, but there's really no reason to lock mounts behind that huge wall of tedious boring gameplay. They're not even prestigious mounts or rewards, anyone dedicated enough gets one, so why keep the time requirement so high if you're unlucky?

I have no interest in the ex mounts from the last couple expacs, they're super weirdly proportioned and I'm happy enough with the petrel. That really doesn't have much to do with thinking the grind is excessive for what it is though.

They're all luxuries. This is not a new concept. It's only ever a grind if you make it so. I don't know why people are getting so heated over this.

You forgot S rank / A rank, btw. If we're gonna rank them, that's the 2nd worst.
I put PvP at the top because you're depending on people that don't necessarily care to participate.

[Tsumdere]

The 99 totem cap was implemented in HW when the only content to go through was:

60 Levels on 13 Battle Jobs
49 Dungeons
8 Beast Tribes
2 Sets of Relic Weapons
15 Extreme Trials
1 Deep Dungeon w/ No Solo
6 Alliance Raids
1 Set of Normal Raids
2 Sets of Savage Raids
Diadem (lol)

Now there is:

90 Levels on 19 Battle Jobs
86 Dungeons
16 Beast Tribes
3 Hunting Mounts
4 Sets of Relic Weapons
34 Extreme Trials
2 Deep Dungeons w/ Solo
13 Alliance Raids + 5 Relic Alliance Raids
1 Unreal Trial
4 Ultimates
4 Sets of Normal Raids
5 Sets of Savage Raids
3 Sets of Blu Mage Savage Raids
Firmament + Diadem (hundreds of hours of crafting/gathering)

This isn't even everything.

99 Totems now is exhausting. When there were only a handful of fights to go try out back in HW it was fine to have something to lock players into their sub, now there is dozens upon dozens of fights to go and collect mounts/glam from. It's frustrating to sit down in a boring EX fight you can do with your eyes closed for 20+ hours when you know there is 100 other things to go collect from content more engaging.

And to say it's just a luxury or it's optional - my brother in Christ. Everything besides MSQ and MSQ dungeons in this game is optional. It does not mean they are automatically given the pass to be shit.

[Deveryn]

The 99 totem cap was implemented in HW when the only content to go through was:

60 Levels on 13 Battle Jobs
49 Dungeons
8 Beast Tribes
2 Sets of Relic Weapons
15 Extreme Trials
1 Deep Dungeon w/ No Solo
6 Alliance Raids
1 Set of Normal Raids
2 Sets of Savage Raids
Diadem (lol)

Now there is:

90 Levels on 19 Battle Jobs
86 Dungeons
16 Beast Tribes
3 Hunting Mounts
4 Sets of Relic Weapons
34 Extreme Trials
2 Deep Dungeons w/ Solo
13 Alliance Raids + 5 Relic Alliance Raids
1 Unreal Trial
4 Ultimates
4 Sets of Normal Raids
5 Sets of Savage Raids
3 Sets of Blu Mage Savage Raids
Firmament + Diadem (hundreds of hours of crafting/gathering)

This isn't even everything.

99 Totems now is exhausting. When there were only a handful of fights to go try out back in HW it was fine to have something to lock players into their sub, now there is dozens upon dozens of fights to go and collect mounts/glam from. It's frustrating to sit down in a boring EX fight you can do with your eyes closed for 20+ hours when you know there is 100 other things to go collect from content more engaging.

And to say it's just a luxury or it's optional - my brother in Christ. Everything besides MSQ and MSQ dungeons in this game is optional. It does not mean they are automatically given the pass to be shit.

This is still a poor argument for easing the requirement, which already gets easier as time passes.

[Liam_Harper]

There's a lot of discussion about the 99 totem requirement, but that trade doesn't even exist until the content is outdated, the drop-rate is buffed, we outgear it and there's Echo added. In this case, the majority of the time it'll drop before 99 kills anyway.

As current content, you can potentially go 200-300 kills before getting a mount. We're on our third EX trial and there is no totem trade. It's backwards. Why am I discouraged from farming current content?

[Canadane]

Most can infer just based on the title what this is going to be about, but after spending hours and hours with nothing to show for it, I needed to vent. The current system of acquiring 99 totems to purchase a mount from any of the EX trials is absolutely ridiculous and a clear indicator from SE that they do not care about your personal time.

This is an MMO.
Not a pickup and play game.

[Deveryn]

There's a lot of discussion about the 99 totem requirement, but that trade doesn't even exist until the content is outdated, the drop-rate is buffed, we outgear it and there's Echo added. In this case, the majority of the time it'll drop before 99 kills anyway.

As current content, you can potentially go 200-300 kills before getting a mount. We're on our third EX trial and there is no totem trade. It's backwards. Why am I discouraged from farming current content?

The question of being discouraged is something that each individual has to address on their own.
If you got your 99 totems, you're free from the duty. The mount is now guaranteed. Move on, if you like.

Half the QOL suggestions people have are easily attributed to personal choices, whether it's farming for mounts, crafting, fishing, glam any kind of "grind".
The game isn't going anywhere anytime soon and there are always people around to run stuff. What's the rush? Take things at a decent, organized pace.