Is the "healing portion" of healers hitting a wall in EW?

[Raikai]

Isn't that exactly what they did with SAM and NIN this expansion?

Not really... These jobs got impactful, but rather pontual changes. MNK back there got stripped of two big major gameplay features (not saying whether those were good or not), and in fact got to be just a skeleton for nearly half of an expansion, which wasn't exactly cool both for players attached to the old way, but also for players wanting to see the job with the actual changes that came later on.

Which is ironic considering of the large changes and redesigns we have gotten since the Omni combat change between SB and ShB monk is about the only one that is universally well regarded

Yeah, but I meant more the intent of deconstructing a job in the middle of an expansion being a bad thing regardless of the goal achieved later on.

[Supersnow845]

Not really... These jobs got impactful, but rather pontual changes. MNK back there got stripped of two big major gameplay features (not saying whether those were good or not), and in fact got to be just a skeleton for nearly half of an expansion, which wasn't exactly cool both for players attached to the old way, but also for players wanting to see the job with the actual changes that came later on.



Yeah, but I meant more the intent of deconstructing a job in the middle of an expansion being a bad thing regardless of the goal achieved later on.

Though based on history partial deconstruction seems to have a better track record than “nuke the job from orbit at expansion launch”, sure that might be because old MNK was so universally unpopular you could go months forgetting the job even existed but based on the reaction on reddit and the OF’s your expansion changes have been middling recently

[SargeTheSeagull]

Copium warning: I am beginning to think the devs are taking note of healer feedback a bit. A bit. Just a bit. A little. A hint perhaps. The delay of Astro changes until 7.0 is pretty telling and this entire discussion has become a tad more mainstream with people like Mr Happy and Zepla talking about it at least a little. In fact, the larger conversation about the state of most jobs probably has the devs thinking more than they otherwise would.

[Nizzi]

Copium warning: I am beginning to think the devs are taking note of healer feedback a bit. A bit. Just a bit. A little. A hint perhaps. The delay of Astro changes until 7.0 is pretty telling and this entire discussion has become a tad more mainstream with people like Mr Happy and Zepla talking about it at least a little. In fact, the larger conversation about the state of most jobs probably has the devs thinking more than they otherwise would.

On the other hand, this means that we will be stuck with the current state of healer gameplay until at least 2024 on every healer job.

[Deceptus]

It pretty much has. Per the devs in the 6.0 patch live letter (paraphrasing):

We didn't know what to do with Scholar much

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Shows just how limited their vision and creativity are.

[Raikai]

On the other hand, this means that we will be stuck with the current state of healer gameplay until at least 2024 on every healer job.

If these are the reasons they postponed AST changes, it would probably more in a sense to not waste work, since I hardly think they would do a big healer(role) right now ... It's a huge structure to change mid expansion.

[WaxSw]

On the other hand, this means that we will be stuck with the current state of healer gameplay until at least 2024 on every healer job.

Did you really expect any significant change before the next expansion?

[Nizzi]

Did you really expect any significant change before the next expansion?

With how EW has gone I'm not even expecting that with the next expansion tbh.