Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.

[Ronduwil]

The reason people compare it to other systems (WoW, GW, etc) is those systems were well established before FFXIV implemented theirs. The Devs say they like to take good ideas from other games and implement them in FFXIV but largely failed with this one. Whether it's engine limitations, technical debt limitations, spaghetti code, we don't know because they're simply not being honest with us.

I'm as unhappy with the system as you are (maybe even unhappier), but let's take this in perspective. FFXIV 2.0 inherited a real mess from 1.0, and they tried to remake as much as they could. In retrospect, the glamour system didn't receive as much attention as it should have. Given how broken everything else was, though, it's no surpise that implementing a proper glamour system fell by the wayside. As for SE not being honest with us, I disagree. Not communicating the inner workings of your code is not dishonest; it's smart. Want your system to get hacked? Let everyone know how it works so that they can find ways to exploit it. We can make educated guesses as to the challenges simply by observing how it's implemented and comparing it to better systems like WoW's. For example, WoW's transmog system doesn't support dyes, so it's going to require exponentially less memory to track. They've been pretty up front about the fact that memory is the limitation here. That's why their band-aid fix was simply to double everyone's storage. Hardware storage finally got cheap enough to make that viable.

I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect that the alternative is to strip your stored items of their dyes as well as their materia so that they can reduce the amount of combinations they have to track in your chest. Can you imagine reapplying dyes every time you want to switch glamours? It would get really expensive really fast. Another option is to make dyes a one-and-done thing where you acquire a dye, use it, and then permanently gain the ability to apply that dye, so you have a glamour chest and a dye chest. Even so, reapplying dye to your gear would remain super tedious. I had a really good manager once who put it really well: "All software sucks. Your job, as an engineer, is to minimize your customer's exposure to the suckage." In other words, there are always trade-offs to be made, and the current system reflects the level of compromise that they deemed acceptable.

You may not like it, and you may disagree, but be careful what you ask for. While I prefer the way WoW's transmog system works, I also have to note that WoW doesn't allow you to dye gear, let alone keep it on a transmog. I haven't played GW or GW2 in a while, but I'm pretty sure I played it after FFXIV 2.0 was out, and I don't even recall them having anything like a glamour system in their game at that time.

[Amenara]

You may not like it, and you may disagree, but be careful what you ask for. While I prefer the way WoW's transmog system works, I also have to note that WoW doesn't allow you to dye gear, let alone keep it on a transmog. I haven't played GW or GW2 in a while, but I'm pretty sure I played it after FFXIV 2.0 was out, and I don't even recall them having anything like a glamour system in their game at that time.

Having played GW2 recently their glamour system works similar to wow in that when you acquire that glamour, you unlock it permanently in the glamour system for them and don't need to keep the item to use that look. As for dyes you have default dyes in GW2's system and can get other dye colors from playing the game or from their real money system. You can dye different parts of a piece of gear different colors to add more color customization than FF14 offers. Basically it is the best glamour system out there, that I have interacted with at least.

I really hate how the old code is the tired excuse used 9 years after ARR relaunched and they rebuilt the game after 1.0s failure. I am pretty sure they have gotten rid of a lot of the jank in 1.0 and found their own new jank with the 2.0 coding and just don't want/have the funding to fix it. I am not asking for them to overnight fix everything, just start taking steps to tackle underlying issues instead of just taking the easy way and band-aiding every couple years and still have the same problem.

[Denji]

I'm as unhappy with the system as you are (maybe even unhappier), but let's take this in perspective. FFXIV 2.0 inherited a real mess from 1.0, and they tried to remake as much as they could. In retrospect, the glamour system didn't receive as much attention as it should have. Given how broken everything else was, though, it's no surpise that implementing a proper glamour system fell by the wayside. As for SE not being honest with us, I disagree. Not communicating the inner workings of your code is not dishonest; it's smart. Want your system to get hacked? Let everyone know how it works so that they can find ways to exploit it. We can make educated guesses as to the challenges simply by observing how it's implemented and comparing it to better systems like WoW's. For example, WoW's transmog system doesn't support dyes, so it's going to require exponentially less memory to track. They've been pretty up front about the fact that memory is the limitation here. That's why their band-aid fix was simply to double everyone's storage. Hardware storage finally got cheap enough to make that viable.

I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect that the alternative is to strip your stored items of their dyes as well as their materia so that they can reduce the amount of combinations they have to track in your chest. Can you imagine reapplying dyes every time you want to switch glamours? It would get really expensive really fast. Another option is to make dyes a one-and-done thing where you acquire a dye, use it, and then permanently gain the ability to apply that dye, so you have a glamour chest and a dye chest. Even so, reapplying dye to your gear would remain super tedious. I had a really good manager once who put it really well: "All software sucks. Your job, as an engineer, is to minimize your customer's exposure to the suckage." In other words, there are always trade-offs to be made, and the current system reflects the level of compromise that they deemed acceptable.

You may not like it, and you may disagree, but be careful what you ask for. While I prefer the way WoW's transmog system works, I also have to note that WoW doesn't allow you to dye gear, let alone keep it on a transmog. I haven't played GW or GW2 in a while, but I'm pretty sure I played it after FFXIV 2.0 was out, and I don't even recall them having anything like a glamour system in their game at that time.

2.0's engine has very very little to do with 1.0. In fact, it's entirely different both on the front and back ends. Really the only stuff that survived the transition were asset-related. (Models, sprites, icons, fonts, sounds, animations, text and some scripts).

[DiaDeem]

There's people that will always complain no matter what they do.

[Midareyukki]

2.0's engine has very very little to do with 1.0. In fact, it's entirely different both on the front and back ends. Really the only stuff that survived the transition were asset-related. (Models, sprites, icons, fonts, sounds, animations, text and some scripts).

They also cleared a lot of the scripts in Stormblood. It was even a big deal that "they reduced spaghetti code by this much!"

So even if they did inherit a mess, which they still did all things considered... it's honestly not that bad. There are a lot of things you're going to have to do some really nasty workarounds just to get things to work. Off the top of my head, there can easily be engine-specific redundancies that will interfere with how your code is meant to work. So if you pull on one end, something will get dragged along due to how stuff is structured. But so far they've found a workaround for the stuff they could.

There's people that will always complain no matter what they do.

*sigh* you know... at one point I'd tell this to people, because you're right and some languages even have entire idioms dedicated to that sentiment (like how you can't "please both Greeks and Trojans")...

But one thing that sentiment does neglect to mention is how you can at least make something to please someone. And hopefuly not to ignore when a large collective says it's not right. And there's for sure stuff in this game that the majority agrees isn't right and they refuse to acknowledge it.

You can't please everyone, someone will always complain. But you can make sure that those who complain aren't that numerous.

[DiaDeem]

*sigh* you know... at one point I'd tell this to people, because you're right and some languages even have entire idioms dedicated to that sentiment (like how you can't "please both Greeks and Trojans")...

But one thing that sentiment does neglect to mention is how you can at least make something to please someone. And hopefuly not to ignore when a large collective says it's not right. And there's for sure stuff in this game that the majority agrees isn't right and they refuse to acknowledge it.

You can't please everyone, someone will always complain. But you can make sure that those who complain aren't that numerous.

I'm afraid I'll be labeled as a "White Knight for SE" and it's why I rarely like to post seriously on the forums, but I'll give a reasonable conversation a chance.

I'm sure they're trying to please their players. I believe that the majority of players have enjoyed the changes done from expansion to expansion, and I think it's disingenuous to believe the contrary. I also think Yoshi was probably joking when he said what OP posted, and though intention is very hard to understand through just text, OP's title seems a bit pompous and a bit too dramatic.

Are there things I believe that can be improved? Of course! As a Viera, hats are the first thing that come to mind as I write this. Having the Legacy camera not auto-adjust is a big one for my brother in law, and I agree with him. It's such a basic feature! Can it be frustrating? Yes, but we shouldn't take for granted how communicative the team is compared to other devs. I can only think of Bungie (With their TWABs) being this talkative to their players besides than Yoshi and team.

I dunno... I don't know if I made much sense.

[VelKallor]

Y "But I know you guys... you guys will complain in 3 months "this is not enouuugh""

He's right. You will.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

He's right. You will.

Even if they try to do right and fix things...people will complain.
They do things people ask for, and they still complain...
No matter what, people will complain...
Its never enough.

[Kolsykol]

Even if they try to do right and fix things...people will complain.
They do things people ask for, and they still complain...
No matter what, people will complain...
Its never enough.

The devs not giving people what they specifically want also doesn't mean that they're ignoring things.
People need to stop acting like they talk on behalf of anyone other than themselves.
People on this forum act like they're like some great spokesperson on behalf of '' the community '' and like their views and what they want is just a given that everyone agrees with.

Like the devs add Criterion Savage dungeons SPECIFICALLY because people in the West asked for it, and then you get people on this forum throwing a tantrum about how there's nothing being added in 6.2 because they aren't interested in any of the content ( without even saying what they actually want, they just '' want things '' but '' not that '' ).
So many of these threads including this one and the recent '' waaah I don't like Yoshi-P '' are like actual toddler behaviour, people are desperately grasping at straws just so that they can find an excuse to go on a rant about how bad everything is and how evil the devs supposedly are.

It's difficult for me to fathom how people can behave the way that they do and then unironically not understand why we don't get more dev interactions on the forum or why the devs just don't want anything to do with the forum most of the time.
The same people complaining that they '' don't listen '' are also the same people who are the reason why this is the case.
And just because people don't get exactly what they want this exact moment doesn't mean they're not listening, again it's toddler behaviour.
It's like you're dealing with actual children who wants Pizza for dinner but we're having Hamburgers, and even if everyone else in the family is happy about it '' NOOOOOO WAAAAH I WAWANT PIWZZAAAA I HAET U MOM AND DAD ''.

[Stasya]

Even if they try to do right and fix things...people will complain.
They do things people ask for, and they still complain...
No matter what, people will complain...
Its never enough.

You probably should play this game more since its your sub money but instead you whiteknight SE on forums. Care to explain SAM changes? Where it falls first or second sentence?